NOOOOOOOO!

The sign has been there since prior to Thanksgiving although I didn't stop to read the details. I thought the Archdiocese owned the property and that they were submitting plans for a new church.

I thought David Marks was trying to slow new development in Perry Hall. Do we really need more housing here?

Can you say Overboard. Perry Hall is saturated now due to Vince Gardina and now the proposal for more houses. I can't wait to leave Perry Hall because the overcrowding is ridiculous. Perry Hall used to be Suburban. Now there is overgrowth and Section 8 residences. I'm done and now need to move further out. Thank you David Marks for stepping up. All talk from another politician. Wake up Perry Hall..

We already have enough

I used to love living here but this is crazy... and sad.... There are houses up the street that have been for sale for years! YEARS!!! And they are STILL for sale! Why do we keep building and building and building?? I mean really, they just built that stupid 'deluxe' apartments and new housing developments on 43, so we are adding more??? Holy cow... I am so ready to move :( It just blows my mind... Maybe we should fill the empty buildings and houses that we already have before we build more empty buildings and houses... Call me crazy...

Where do they think those children will go to school? Really? No more homes! Better yet, how about a new school?

Our Perry Hall Schools have been over crowded for many years now. The politicians know that the citizens in this town want a new school and no new housing developments!!!! Why do they forget this after they get in office!!!!!!!!?????

You are all screaming about things that your formerly elected officials caused. Perhaps you should have thought about this then.

Sounds like the perfect place for a needed new school. Big land, library next door and ball fields already built across the street. While this may have been a deal set up in the past there is nothing to say that it cannot be undone. Remember, as much as we protest, the government can do what it wants. The govt has more money and resources at their disposal than any citizen or citizens' group. The govt can make laws to get the desired outcome. The govt could claim imminent domain. Tie things up so long with rules, regulations and litigation that developers walk away. Keep pressing govt officials and don't believe when they tell you there is nothing they can do.
As far as not having done anything about it years ago, well, most of us probably knew nothing about it...pretty sneaky putting up a hand-written sign shortly before a meeting. Pretty sneaky only inviting adjacent residents when it affects the whole community. Year ago we didn't have news sources like internet and local sources lithe the Patch. Don't cry about what was done. Decide what you want to do now...

Oh we did think about it when we voted!!! The politicians say what we want to hear before the elections!!! Perry Hall schools are over crowded and have been for years. Our politicians are not listening to us!!! We don't want any more housing developments to over crowd our schools any more than they are!!!!!!!! Hear me now???!!!

The last thing we need is more houses. It already takes me ten minutes to get out of my court onto Seven Courts drive. We have lived here for 25 years and used to love it here, but as soon as our last child is out of high school next year, we are seriously considering moving. This is just another nail in the coffin for Perry Hall. What are they thinking????

Then go to the meeting. Find out when the hearing is. Be the ardent citizens you are, but don't blame someone who's been in office less than a year.

Why don't we just pave over everything from the city line to the gunpowder, then new houses will seem like a good idea

Just what we need MORE overpriced houses that can lose money and create further traffic issues. Enough already!!

This is just sad to me. While I live in a newer community, and probably shouldn't complain about new housing, it's sad to see these developments get started and take up such beautiful landscaping. These communities are suffering, look at some of the other developments that are under construction. They start selling homes in the $500s, and then by the time they are finishing up they are selling in the $300s. The one at the Parkside has changed hands several times, they're not selling. The ones on Forge road aren't selling. Existing homes are on the market for a long time.

It's just sad to see that virtually every acre will be covered with residences. I wish they'd take a break for a while, let the economy catch up and start building when the the demand is really there.

Not to mention this would be a great location for a new, very much needed public school.

How about we build a community teen center to keep the kids out of White Marsh Mall and the Avenue. There have even been groups of kids gathering in local parking lots lately! Give them a place to hang out with friends with organized activites rather then roaming the streets looking for trouble.

The Keelty development on Forge Road is selling quite well - and with very little actual sales effort by the builder thus far. This is because they are a quality local builder, they are not McMansions that are right on top of each other and they are priced aggressively.

Just one of the main reasons I moved out of Perry Hall City over 12 years ago. I saw what was instore for Perry Hall, moved north, and couldn't be happier. Over development, escalating crime rate, the list goes on and on. Every square inch of available land around Perry Hall will continue to be developed regardless of what the community has to so. Too many of the politicans have their hands in the back pockets of the developers. Wak up and move out!!! What once was a nice community has changed for the worse, and will continue to do so!!!

Jay, we can't move because the ridiculous over building has lowered the resale value of our homes

It seems like Lala has all the answers. I say build and build some more. Then the MTA can increase it's service up and down Honeygo Boulevard. That way everyone can enjoy Perry Hall. Face it. Perry Hall is becoming an Urban area and the sprawl is overwhelming. It's doesn't matter what meeting we go to or who we talk to or who we vote into office. Follow the money and you will see who is really important. The residents of the area have been long forgotten. Time for this long time resident to move to a more suburban area.

I hope the politicians are reading these posts and wake up.

@al. See ya. Won't miss ya. I don't have the answers. I just know that it can't be stopped, but people can go to the hearing.

I got my new home in Perry Hall. You can stop stop building now.

I would challenge the County's factors for calculating student enrollment. I live in a small subdivision of twelve houses that was developed in 2002. The development plans projected 4 for elementary, 2 for middle, and 1 for high school. There are 30 kids in our neighborhood. There are 7 kids in the 2nd grade alone! Families have grown in size over the past decade. I wonder if the calculating factors for new developments have kept paced. The figures cited above seem very low. I would argue that there would be closer to 40 elementary school kids.

Ugh Jay, I remember you; you moved out and live in the Garden of Eden, but still for some reason love to bash P. Hall. With all the passion in your comments seems to me you still really care and miss this town because if you didn't most wouldn't look back or be so nosey. Stay off our Patch, you do not live here anymore. Although I am not a fan of all the development going on, I like living in Perry Hall

This is ridiculous. We need another High School so bad, and all they are concerned with is money, money, money. There are plenty of houses here now. I live right around the corner from the library and honestly it's becoming a joke. Closing off access to Forge Road was a big mistake. All these people see are dollar signs. It makes me sick. It's getting so overcrowded here now, like we really need more houses. Come on, wake it up. The people that live here now are killing themselves working 2 and 3 jobs just to pay their mortgages so they can stay living in the homes they have worked so hard to keep. Look at the little strip mall where Shear Genious is now. That was empty forever. These people better start thinking about whats most important. Our children our so overcrowded in school now, having to pile into tiny trailors for classrooms. It makes me sick. We need little businesses that will give our kids places to work. My son is 16 yrs old and has applied to every place you can think and no one will hire him. Forget the houses. This whole thing just makes me sick, literally sick to my stomach. Excuse me Mr. Developers, go build somewhere else, we don't need anymore homes. PERIOD!!!

Oh yeah! I have to agree with person above. How about building a rec center for our teenagers. Give them a place to go and hang out. They have no where to go. The avenue is booting them out by 9pm. I mean come on. Where do our kids really have to go and hang out. A rec center could have pool tables, they could hold dances, have a basketball court outsidpe or in, maybe a pool. Anything would be better than MORE houses. Have games night, or movie night. There are so many cool ideas we as parents could come up with for our kids to do in a rec center. NO MORE HOUSES!!!!! Think of our kids for once. These developers are so selfish and all they see is dollar signs. Makes me sick.

I totally agree with building a teen center, or a church -- but another school, in this location, I don't feel would be safe for the kids, or the drivers who rely on Honeygo Blvd to get to I-95 (now the Keelty has closed off Forge, and made it a non-option for getting through to the far end of Honeygo). The traffic is horrendous on Honeygo now -- can you imagine school busses, and an average of 200 or more cars during both morning rush hour and the end of the school day/start of evening rush hours? Plus, the folks who live in thedevelopments on boht sides of Honeygo -- they already have traffic problems (remember the truck upside down last year?

I also strongly agree with many prior posters -- we have empty homes here on the market -- but the economy is too weak and looks as if it will take another few years to recoup -- no one can afford a used $250-k - $300-k house -- who can afford a $500-k home? The banks will love it, of course -- more folks will get sucked into those interest-only balloon mortgages, only to find out that 3 or 5 years after they're in their home, that, gee, oh my gosh -- they have to start paying on the principal!!! and what happens? forclosures. next, it's more loss on our property values. Then, when we are ready to retire, we won't have half the 'real estate investment' that we will have paid for, and probably won't be able to afford a silly condo or senior living area anywhere ...... including further north into Cecil county, or somewhere else in the boondocks ..... It's a real shame. This used to be nice, sub-urban area. It's becoming too over-crowded much too quickly. The politicians should have followed Westminster's approach from back in the mid-80's: build the roads first, then make sure the water is there -- and then, penalize all new home builders an extra $5-k just for invading their county! I bet if there were a penalty like that imposed, on top of the excessive housing prices, they would not sell very easily.

Lastly, yep -- the politicians always change. It's like a good romance -- courtship is great, the living day-to-day is the rough part .... and dying is a God send.

Meg I understand what you are saying, but they should have never shut off Forge Road to begin with. It was so much easier to get to Belair Road, now we have to drive all the way down to the light at Honeygo and Belair road, to drive back up to where we need to go. It was the dumbest thing. Also think that long time resident who said it made it better and safer was a moron. If someone wants to rob there home it's just as easy. They can just park in the funeral parking lot, or the medical center parking lot and take off real fast. Forge Road needs to reopen and a teen center or school needs to be put there. Most of is are scraping our pennies together to remain in or homes and I love living here and the last thing we need is more homes. I have lived in Perry Hall since 1990 and was a local business owner here at one time and knew it was going to be developed, but it's gotten out of hand. These developers see dollar signs, they don't care what we think, or how they inconvenience us. I would volunteer my time if they opened a teen center. Heck I would even offer to run it. I grew up in Baltimore City by Memorial stadium and my Uncle who is pretty well known, ran many of the city recs and if it wouldn't have been for those rec centers those kids would have been out creating havoc, but my uncle made the rec center fun, we had pool tables, air hockey, contests, lunches, indoor and outdoor sports and this is what we need desperately. Think of the kids for once, Selfish developers

Perry Hall City Residents: While your suggestions are commendable, all of you are wasting your time and efforts. The bottom line is money, and the greedy developers, banksters, and politicains who profit from all of this will stop at nothing to get what they want in the end. These houses will be built, I guarantee it. Perry Hall, was at one time a nice comminiuty and a nice place in which to live and raise a family, MO MORE!!! I was a long time resident, but moved out over 12 years ago, as I saw all of this coming. Wake up people, the crime rate in Perry Hall and it's surrounding communities had been escalating dramitically over the years, the housing market is stagnate, you are surrounded by section 8 housing, as a result of Move To Opportunity. Yes, another great idea put into effect by your local politicians, just never in their own neighborhood. Unfortunately, your only recourse, is to move the heck out of Perry Hall, as quickly as you can. You all need to stop defending the un defendable. If I remember correctly, Baltimore City was at one time a nice place to live in as well. Perry Hall is following the same course of action.

Karen -- thanks for your comment to mine. I hope you understood my basic points: stop the housing development and think of what the community needs & wants. I think the rec center is the best idea. I do not think a school at this location is idea, because of the narrow side street (Cross Road) and the fast-paced Honeygo Blvd.

I was travelling across Honeygo this morning, *before 7-am !!* and there was already a wrecked car at the intersection of Honeygo and Cross -- if cars are getting hit without traffic, imagine the havoc more vehicle would create for a school zone ..... and the children that could potentially be hurt. Yes, I agree -- closing Forge was a DUMB move, and made no sense at all to me.

re: Jay's comment above: I, too, used to be a resident of Baltimore city, in the northeast section. It was a 'Mayberry' like neighborhood when I grew up; it was a 'little Jamaca' when I left (I don't mean to be P-incorrect, but that's the way it is). I stuck it out as long as I could, before moving here almost 18 years ago. It's nice to say 'move' but we cannot afford, as Karen said, to move because we are also scraping pennies together to remain in our over-priced house! Besides, moving to me means retreating, and other than upland Canada, I cannot think of any other rural areas where we could escape our corrupted politicos!... just IHMO.

Things are changing! Oh my gosh! Can't adapt! It's not the '60s anymore! New, strange looking people coming! The humanity!

Meg - the day of the interest only/balloon mortgages are over.

I usually do not respond on these bulletin boards, but feel compelled to note the following. As a "local politician," I live in this community less than a half-mile from Honeygo Boulevard. Our son attends Joppa View Elementary School. I grew up on Joppa Road and remember what Perry Hall looked like before the massive development that brought hundreds of new homes to the Honeygo area. Some folks may live in these newer neighborhoods.

I have been in office for one year, and in my first rezoning cycle, have proposed potentially downzoning 280 acres of land, more than five times the acreage of Perry Hall High School.

It is very easy for people who have "fled" Perry Halll to trash our community, or for others to attack "local politicians." But I still believe Perry Hall is a wonderful place to live and that we can ensure a great future for this community. This is why I have proposed such a substantial downzoning of land. If you agree with downzoning 280 acres of land in Perry Hall, or if you have a different perspective, please consider attending public hearings this spring to make your voice heard.

Well put David Marks!!! I am a big fan!!! Those that don't even put their full name on their hateful comments need to go away! David will you please post when the next community meeting will be? I'll be there! I bet alot of us who are against more housing and in favor of a school or teen center will be there!! Are you with me Perry Hall citizens? Let's be proactive and see this through!!!

Elaine, thank you very much. The public hearing will be at Perry Hall High School in March. It is identified on the link below. This is an opportunity to provide input to the Planning Board. http://www.baltimorecountymd.gov/Agencies/planning/zoning/2012czmp/pbhearings.html

Thank you! The meeting is Tuesday, March 20th at PHHS. Put it on your calendar. Let's have a big turn out and demand that our politicians do the will of the people!!!! Enough is enough.

Great! I'll be there. I think it would be great if the perry hall patch had a section that included community meetings so we all have easy access to the information on upcoming meetings. Better turnout I'm sure! Stop the building!! The patch just had an article on the massive overcrowding in the schools that was UNDERESTIMATED by prior predictions!!!! No more houses!!!!!

This public meeting will not make one bit of difference. Just a formality, a protocol. Nothing but a dog and pony show, smoke and mirrows. In the past, I personally attended numerous meetigns to halt the over development in Perry Hall, to no avail. The deveolpers, politicians, and the banksters feed off of one another. One hand washes the other. Our entire government is at the beckon call of the crooked banksters, who control the world's monetary system. All of you are absolutely clueless as to what really goes on.

great! I'll put in on my calendar, as well. I would like to see a rec center put there ..... but not more housing. thanks for sharing the info re: the meeting well in advance, David.

I too have been to meetings in the past where people voiced their opinion on over crowding in the schools. Nothing has been done. Now we have David Marks and the Perry Hall Patch to get the word out about the March meeting. We can have a bigger turn out and show that the people of Perry Hall mean business!!! I will also spread the word!!! I choose to feel positive about the future!!!

I hope the residents of this community wake up! We have a proposed development now going to the ALJ phase across from Cromwell Valley Park. Thanks goes to Mr. Gardina granting the developers any waivers they would like and also commenting to me that the CIM was too late for our community to state our opposition to their open space waiver. Baltimore County wants infill development and has no issue contributing to this over-development. Mr Gardina, Kamenetz and their croonies may make some extra pension off of this. Good Luck Perry Hall

There is a CZMP 2012 Planning Board Public Hearing scheduled for the 5th Council on Tuesday March 20, 2012 at Perry Hall Sr High --- I suggest we all get to this meeting. From what I understand, the 'development' is in planning stages -- there may still be time to stop it, but ONLY if we're all there to speak out. Just my 5-cents worth ...