Right you are Tim , This idiot should have been a student of Oak White Middle School ,instead of an employee

Hey Carole! That is quite insensitive to the students who attend White Oak! Many of them are there due to a disability or other outside factors that have effected thier lives negativly. I'm pretty sure that doesn't catagorize them as idiots. You should be ashamed of yourself!

thats not enough for our liking Timothy. i cant paint a full piece of graffiti that can be anywhere from 3-4ft long to 10-15ftx6-10ft big or how about this, a piece thats 250ft long, by 25-30ft tall? how could i do such a thing that size illegally be possible? good question that for me to know you to never find out. i cant do that shit on paper or canvas? what the hell are thinkin!?

I disagree with you. I own a home and DO NOT want grafitti in my neighborhood, no way shape or form. He should not receive a "slap on the wrist." I will make it my business to attend court and keep track of this case on March 7th. He is destroying property and making neigborhoods look like slums. I feel sorry for his parents.

Why would you waste your time going to BCDC? You have no standing in the case and cannot testify. Of course I have seen instances occur in one judges courtroom where people wrote letters to the judge but never appeared to testify and the judge actually considered those letters, so who knows. The whole lot of them in the District Court are buffons. The kid will get a fine and some community service and you can bet the fine will go to the county not the victim. Seen it happen when a neighbors new car was spray painted back to front, top to bottom and the court granted him no relief.

Graffiti is NEVER art when it defaces another person's property. It is blatantly ignorant to think otherwise. After returning from Rome Italy and seeing graffiti deface the coliseum it's apparently a worldwide problem. Summing it up, people like 'C' and "TOE" were either never taught by their parents to respect other people's property or obviously just totally ignorant. 'C' I hope 'TOE' tags your car a see how you react.

Amen. Way more important things to worry about than some kid painting! Perry Hall isn't Mayberry. You are right, small businesses are a no-no!! I do know guys (and girls) who are able to get paid for their work. However I would wager they got their start in the street, considering a tag and throw up are the most crucial part of getting up & cred in the culture...
We all did stupid things as kids. A slap on the wrist should scare this kid enough to stop or stay out of the county!!! Like you, I'm more concerned about rapists, drunk drivers, and spouse beaters...

parkville honey owns a home....which with never be tagged. just saying. just because you own a home makes you think you have a say in what should or shoulnt happen i nur community? wat about a homeless person? do they have the same say because they dont own property. i own property myself, and guess what i tell people when they ask me if im ever going to remove the graffiti from the back and side of my building? i tell them No, i own this property.i have my rights as an owner, and i actually have a permit to have a mural on my building. so i can paint watever i really feel like painting on, no matter how disgusting, perverted, dirty,sexual, society bending, profan, straight up dirt baggish thing on my wall, and nothing can be done about it. i can advertise the use drugs and nothing can be done about it. how woul you feel if i owned a house right next door to you and i covered it in graffiti? Aint a damn thing thats going to happen to change it! you can move!

oh yes C great post! if i was mentor of this younger writer and i found out he hit the side of a day care, id kick his ass sensless, just because thats against the rules/guidlines of graffiti.... you feel me!?

you know in the city, and sometimes in baltimore county, we ask the police for the "beat and release policy" and guess what.....they do it! and we walk away beaten up by police who you pay with your tax money with no arrest,no report, no fine, no charge no nothing! how do you feeel about that?

probably better than what is displayed in the photo above, how about this, to keep that wall from gettin tagged in the future, WHICH i can almost garantee it will be tagged again by someone else, why not have the kid pay for a total dollar amount in paint and supplies for another artist to paint a mural on that wall. or to have an even STRONGER effect, why not hire well established graffiti artists to come do a production on the wall with actual GOOD pieces of graffiti? and with a little advertisment for the company the wall is apart of. that will keep graffiti "vandals" from taggin that wall in the future and with the presence of these established graffiti artists, give these younger kids something to go see get painted and when they see who is painting an amazing graffiti mural, im sure theyll know where those guys would mostly be at besides perry hall, then theyll go where those guys usually are at, tag their studio building, or under a bridge where they usually go to paint and keep the "eye sore" out of your "community". sounds good right" IT WORKS! TRUST ME! Im one of the establishd graffiti artists that has seen that happen! and it worked each time!

there is no such thing as an "authorized" graffiti artist. and if TRUELY an artist you DO NOT make money off of what you LOVE to do.

Thanks for letting me know! The typo has been corrected.

Including principals... I for one know of at least 3 in Howard County who have at least one DUI... One who has no license. To me, that is endangering public safety. I don't know Balt Co stats... but I do know that some people paint as a means of expression, some as a means of protest, and some as an outlet. I'm not saying you should agree... but if we enforce SOME regulations, we should enforce them all. Especially with our children!

NOPE! completely wrong! that piece of graffiti was not by him. that was actually by a kid who died a few days ago in a car accident. Thank you for blaming everything you see on this kid because it made the paper! IDIOT

Really David? Are you so pure and innocent that you believe that a teenager with no record should be penalized more than our members of Congress? No, he did not commit a "white collar crime", (which are usually worse by the way...) but somebody giving away their art for free. To you, is this worse than domestic violence? Drunk driving? DRUG DEALING? Whether you like it or not, it IS art. You do realize how many other REAL crimes (that PHYSICALLY harm others) are committed in your area, right? I personally know of many unsavory instances, including a woman who cant get a peace order against a man abusive to her and her daughter...in your district!!! God forbid an EIGHTEEN year old does something you deem unsavory to your quality of life. Yes, punish, but NOT strongly! Again, look INWARD. If not you personally... your family. You do not have to tell me what you see. I already know. But I would encourage you to have the courage to do so, and imagine if this was your son, nephew, godson. JAIL does not change people for the better... ESPECIALLY not first time offenders!!!

Wow, personal issue much? Your shameless attacking our councilman for trying to uphold the law and our community's economic value is just sad.

News flash: No one wants anyone's else's art in this avenue.
You want art? Go to an art gallery.

Aspiring Artists: The world is not your canvas (at least not literally :) )

Speaking of art Tim is that graphic you are using as your profile photo copyrighted material? Isn't that contrary to the Patch TOS?

As for Anita's comment you may or may not agree with them but it is the fundamental right of citizens to question and make comment on the actions and policies of our elected officials. I'm sure the Councilman can and will respond for himself should he choose to do so.

This is directed to ANITA:

If ANYONE in Councilman Marks's family did something like this, trust me, they'd be punished. As someone who knows the family well, this would NOT be tolerated. STOP CASTING STONES and look at your own family if you are so upset about this issue.

Leaving Councilman Marks out of the equation, I'm not so sure that any family member of any politician or county employee who holds some status or has the right connections would necessarily suffer the same brand of justice that you aspire to enforce. In fact I know this for a fact to be the case. You know that old saying, it's who you know...........

Reds,

Conspiracy theorist?

Non sequitur and argumentative. "I knoze what I knoze"

Reds: As far as my avatar - it's legal under the "Fair Usage" terms of copright law.
The only reason I threw it up there was because there's another PH patch user who posts on occasion, and Emily thought it'd be a good idea if I threw something up there to keep it clear.

Perhaps someone should explain to the young man the laws, make the time meet the crime, let him clean up his mistake, and let him know that in most cases if it is art, that if he approached the business owner he might agree it is art and allow him to paint there.

your migth win in the court room, cuz thats just how it goes, but in the street outside the courtroom, you lose.

and tim, the fellow a few posts below.....I am an Artist, a true artist at that, i reside in Baltimore City but yet i travel the world on tours specifically for graffiti production walls, and not only do i just paint these walls for productions with others graffiti artists, but i walk the cities i travel to and paint amazing pieces in places even you would think, "how on earth did they do that!?"

I AM an ARTIST, i LOVE doin what i do, and the WORLD is my canvas.
Its your shitty suburb, im just walking thru it really.

dear anita. amd Mr Marks, wha happned to the principle "The punishment should fit the crime" ? I believe no ones influence is going to sway this case either way, im sure the judge hearing the case will apply the appropriate sentence. to me that would be. PBJ and community service.......... restitution of course . i agree most Anita's points. there are violent criminals out there we need to " throw the book at" not these street artists, On one thing I disaggree with Anita is that its not "free art " its unsolicited and its not this young mans property to paint on. you made a great case, except for that " free art" comment :)

Your amazing!!!! People on here really act like this kid should get jail for life or something!!! It's Crazy. I am glad there is one person who knows what I am talking about and I can tell you know graffiti well too. Thank you

David Marks , Thank you for all you do ! Keep going, this is why we hired you so to speak !!

Reds, I respect your opinion. I also know that the pre-frontal cortex (risk assessment, decision making) is not developed until around 25yo. He can go to war, but not drink... so, not totally an adult in terms of the law.
Taxes will be wasted anyways. Perhaps I'm a cynic and have been involved in education for too long....
I do understand it isn't aesthetically pleasing to everyone. especially those not familiar or interested in the culture. Then again, neither are political wheatpastes & political signs everywhere, or sanctioned spray painted ravens stencils on city streets...
Again, I respect your opinion. Just voicing mine!

An 18 year old knows better, Many under the age of 25 served in WWII and understood risk assessment and decision making so it's a little hard for me to swallow the argument that because someone under 25 their brain wasn't up to snuff and they didn't know what they were doing at a point where 1/3 of their life has passed.

Political signs are the just as bad to me as graffiti but candidates are required to remove them after the elections, although it is not often done. Frankly I think they are useless and overdone.

I see in your earlier reply you mentioned school principals with DUI's. A word to the wise, voicing that type of opinion in Perry Hall is not allowed. Never criticize a teacher or educator, a LEO or a politician in this town or on this website - Das ist Verboten!

Unrelated, but I think the legal drinking age should be lower then 21. I'm thinking 19.

Never going to happen., The feds would pull any highway funds from any state that lowers the drinking age under the age of 21 and rightfully so.

"These clowns who do this have no business practicing on the street." -REDS.....quess what!? your clearly uneducated with graffiti. I do have business practicing in the streets. thats what will eventually put me in galleries, make me 6 digit pay checks, put me in magazines,books,videos,on clothing, lunch boxes,model trains,underwear, your spouses panties that says "EAT ME", on mountain dew bottles, in pepsi commercials, in the oval office shaking the hand of the president of the united states, while your working a 9-5 full time job, to provide a roof,food,clothes and transportation for your families. See what im doin, and im dead serious everything i have said is very true!, and you are doin wat? exactly as just said. graffiti is an artform, it comes from the street, i graduated from the streets, to the walls, to the galleries and honestly i hate everything i ever put in a gallery, or painted on a legal wall.

Thank you

Anita...THANK YOU for bringing up the Ravens painted on the street at the Avenue.... I think that has to be the most perfect point. If someone is allowed to do that... Why is everyone so up in arms over this???Like I said WHERE he did it is wrong...but the art of graffiti is not wrong. These people wanting to waste time and go to court to see that he gets charged..make me laugh...If they have free time on their hands maybe they could go down town and watch drug deals go down and then testify in court over that ... Hmmm Much easier to pick on an 18 year old..who painted something.. and I wanna add I am shocked in how many comments this is getting. But I can debate Graffiti all day long ;)

C you just validated the argument that those who are complaining of graffiti are making when you said "Like I said WHERE he did it is wrong"

If a building owner wants the side of his building painted with what I have described as boring, repetitive and rather ugly art and it doesn't violate current ordinances then he can have his joint painted lime green for all I care. I probably won't be patronizing him anyway.

The person engaging in graffiti may nest suffer the penalty I suggested. Restitution to his victim, perhaps in the form of 10 times the costs of damage and community service which required him to serve community service in which he is required to clean graffiti off of public buildings or infrastructure. Fining him and paying the court money provides no relief to the victim.

I personally am sick of seeing black squiggles and symbols (many of which are gang related symbols) painted all over town. I'm sick of my taxes going to clean it up.

If graffiti were embraced the entire town would be awash in day-glo pink and black.

Reds... I happen to like day-glo pink :) Can you tell me your opinion on the huge Raven painted at the Avenue?

Well C I don't like being overwhelmed with day glo pink and black fuzzy gang sign symbols everywhere.

I don't know your age, but I can tell you that one day when you acquire and pay for property that you worked hard for and have to pay the taxes, upkeep and maintenance on said property, your views will change on this topic

I haven't seen the Ravens symbol you speak of as of yet, but I assume that the county placed that graphic on the street somewhere or the shopping center management did so In that case the owners and the administrators have the right to display such graphic on their property, I would also assume, although not seeing it., that it is temporary, will dissolve or will be removed at the appropriate time.

What I do know is that in no way would I be allowed to go to the Avenue, put down a stencil and spray paint until my little heart's content.

Frankly I look at graffiti in the same way I see these women who display tramp stamp tattoos. It's butt ugly.

As for the Ravens graphic at the Avenue I say "GO RAVENS!"

Clearly you have deeper issues to deal with than graffiti, but lashing out at a local politician isn't going to help. This young man defaced private property, and should be held accountable.

Reds.I am old enough ..and do own my own house. "Graffiti is revolutionary, in my opinion and any revolution might be considered a crime. People who are oppressed or suppressed need an outlet, so they write on walls—it's free."Terrance Lindall

Anita, I see that the personal insults are already flying. Good look with those "deeper issues" LOL.

C it's only free when it's your property that you paint.

I emailed your comment over to Ron Snyder of Essex Patch. ronald.snyder@patch.com at http://essex.patch.com/ Thanks!

who cares about that attempted abduction?? we got people of all ages painting graffiti!!!! OH MY GOD THE WORLDS GONNA END IF WE DONT STOP GRAFFITI!

.....you CANT stop graffiti.

actually sue graffiti artists are actually painting pieces that you will most likely never see in your life that are worth more than the Sistine Chapel, for example, the graffiti artist who took share i facebooks stock for painting multiple murals in their headquarters. hes making MILLIONS of dollars now. you are right, the suburbs are no place for graffiti, theres to much housing there. but yet the ONE place that was known for graffiti right at ridge road and bel air rd, yes the little concrete lot next to the little house on the left and abandoned car dealership on the right,where kids of all ages gathered and painted graffiti and skateboarded there.im sure if youve lived in perry hall long enough you know what im talking about, There they caused no trouble. and while that spot was still there, there was less graffiti along bel air rd. but yet your councilmen, decided to tear it down. and now you residents get to deal with graffiti. and now wats in the place of that lot!? NOTHING! a lot of crumbled concrete and looks WORSE than before. blame your council. not the graffiti writers.

Councilman you said earlier " In 2011, Councilwoman Bevins and I tightened the penalties for graffiti-related crimes."

Can you tell me how you and Councilwoman Blevins tightened existing state laws regarding penalties on graffiti?

Thank You

Reds, the bill in this article was passed last year: Councilmembers Marks, Bevins Seek to Double Fines for Graffiti, http://patch.com/A-dNny.

hmm, thank you, but I'm not sure if such a bill would trump existing state laws. As I have pointed out earlier fines do nothing to provide relief to the victim, they serve only to enrich local government.

I absolutely agree with you. Key words: "vandalize" and (especially) "private property".

David Marks,Thank you Please do all you are able ,this is not a trivial matter as you have nicely stated . Thanks for all you do .

so your against private property huh? well wat about public property? how do you feel about that? your tax money goes to graffiti removal agencies to repaint over a piece of graffiti, and you know how that looks after its done, like crap! would you rather see a beautiful piece of graffiti or a brown square on a grey wall, or a grey square on a white wall? Multiple off shades of color in square on one wall? that looks worse than graffiti.

WORD!

Scotty !!!! Really ? Good Lord,
don't come out of the house till you grow up.

no ones closed minded we just have differnt taste for art OK? becareful if you get caught in the act you might get your window shattered too

nice trolling.

They should have the death penalty for graffiti vandals.

and look what happened scott, belw me hell broke lose, they dont understand, they never will, thats why if someone ever does tries to catch me that is NOT a cop, gets their ass beaten to pulp for trying to be a yuppie ass hero. and IF a cop shows up(which is very rare since most of the time 98% of people will never see graffiti in the act because it is done in such an elite way) i will instintfully take off running and WILL get away. Ive been writing graffti for over 12 years and never been caught in my life. been grabbed up, but never slammed down. fuck the law

by canvas, your talking about walls right? not those tiny white squares that dont fit a good quality piece of graffiti on right? because let me tell you sir, I can make ALOT more oney by painting walls than canvas and doing this "vandalism" on paper. thats not enough, theres alot more to graffiti than you think and punishing this kid wont do a damn thing in settin and "example" out of him or reducing graffiti in perry hall, HEY DUMBASS, since this kids been busted have you seen the amount of graffiti in perry hall and the surrounding areas? theres alot more of it now than there was before he was busted. so what do you think your really doing against graffiti? Well truthfully your not doing ANYTHING and CANT do anything to stop us from doing what we do, and catching us, well the ones who actually know what were doing, is IMPOSSIBLE. im surprised this kid didnt take off running like a true graffiti writer does. but he must not have the "toes" to jet like that, honestly i dont like his work. yea he just started writing graffiti not to long from what ive seen, but hes got heart. now if you were shown a proper piece of graffiti what you say? art or vandalism? think about sir, and get this kids case dropped, lifes a bitch, especially when your a business owner, so why punish the kid? it doesnt make a difference in reality.

I gotta run over to Ace Hardware right quick. Can I come over and paint MY art on your house? :) I'm sure that MY art work would touch your soul. NOT!

Since that fella likes to paint so much and painted up Pete's Cycle maybe he can get a job painting motorcycle gas tanks and helmets ala Orange County Chopper style

Yeah, it spoke to me.

I wondered "Who's the douchebag that thinks he can just paint all over buildings he doesn't own in my town?"

Funny, he doesn't speak to me, and I'm people, too.

hey im going to run to ace hardware, steal 30-40 cans of spray paint, and destroy everything i see in sight. but yet when im done, NOT ONE TAG will be on your house and your business(in the county). what does that tell you? that this kid hasnt been shown the proper guidelines in the graffiti culture. from what i have seen, he hasnt tagged any homes and im sure he knows better or hell get his ass whopped by other local graffiti writers for making the area a mess. TRUE graffiti artists know places to put graffiti where it doesnt cause a big uproar like this. hey people, go walk into a train yard and look around(if you even make it into the yard without bein approached by a patrolling graffiti writer) and see how much graffiti exists. and look at the pieces, they been around for YEARS AND YEARS on end. why dont you people bitch more about that? those boxcars are worth millions of dollars and are getting DESTROYED(i love that word by the way) by graffiti. completely stomped on,raped,strangeled and burned by graffiti artists, and these boxcars carry anywhere from a million, a couple million to almost a billion dollars in freight. so you business owners just think about where your suppies,merchandise,equipment,heaters,hard ware and everything come from....a boxcar covered in graffiti, and you want to bitch about graffiti in your neighborhood? please! the first person who tried to be "hero" and approach me while painting, got his ass whooped. DONT BE HERO!

have you ever thrown a rock on the sidewalk as child? if you did, you vandalized government property by chipping a very small fraction of the sidewalk surface. thats a punishable offense and you mam should be fined, locked away in jail, and placed on probation,given 150 hours of community service, and mayb even placed on house arrest. how do you feel about that? dont like it? then you can relate and this discussion about this kid vandalizing private property is such a big damn deal when you(or anyone reading this that has thrown a rock on the sidewalk)damaged government property. and yes that does effect things if a rock hits the surface of a sidewalk, i could trip and fall because of a crack, or an uneven surface. then hats even worse. but yet with graffti, no body gets hurt?

Stop Bitching

to heck with the fine, let him pay court costs. It's more appropriate and just that he provide financial restitution to the victims who may have to file insurance claims with their property insurers and have their rates go up or policies canceled or pay out of their pocket. I support that over enriching the county on the back of the crime victim. The BC court system is all about raking in money not justice and they make a ton of money on these piddly crimes. I also have wondered why court commissioners set some bails high on misdemeanor crimes. I have even wondered if some of them aren't getting a little percentage from the bail bondsmen on the side. Just sayin'.

a local graffiti removal program? are you serious? why dont you go out and repaint over graffiti or clean it off yourself.....but did you know that is also illegal!?

Been to SF, I don't want to live there. I despise graffiti and I hate rap and more than that I despise having it imposed on me. Keep it in the art gallery.

Actually she is a Yellow belt in Tae kwon do. She has played dodge ball in class quite a few times :)

That's GR8 - she can kick "bootay" when the taggers paint your house. :)

LOL very true ....Tho she does have something in common with them..she has painted on property that was not hers *lol* uh oh do they have toddler jail.???

how long before the post calling her a juvenile delinquent appear? Hey lady, keep that kid out of my neighborhood. ;)

i love that mans work. i met him while i was over there a few months ago, hes workin on a project thats going to innovate graffiti once again.

Don't you be givin' O' Malley or the Baltimore County government any ideas bub. :)

LOL!

Reds...As my 4 year old would say "Hate is a bad word" :p

I bet that 4 year old will never be allowed to play dodge ball either. :)

I "hate" cauliflower too. HATE IT, HATE IT, HATE IT!!! So I guess I'm guilty of a hate crime.

Political correctness will be the downfall of this country. I HATE political correctness. I never was one who took to indoctrination and social engineering by the public school system. I will not conform to political correctness.

When did we start becoming a nation of whiners when it was our absolute right to do anything we desire as long as it makes "US" feel good even if it tramples on the rights of others?

Reds you know you are a perfect example of what is wrong with society,our government and the robots who walk communities everyday? if you dont want O/Malley to tax anything else, and you want use the word hate to piss off the next person, then WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU COMPLAINING ABOUT GRAFFITI!?

O Malley has already been painted bluer than blue. Perhaps a nice shade of invisible would be nice.

ill paint omalleys face on the side of 95 and you will see it, you wont like it, but you will like it!

IT'S always about money!

Then leave a message on your own property.

the only message people who bitch about this stuff is sending is telling us is TAX THIS! as we continue writing graffiti. thank you for motivating us even more to win the battle. your out numbered.

Hey one battle at a time. But I'm sure if one shot the burglar in their home the BCPD would undoubtedly arrest the homeonwer and the Baltimore County States Attorney would chomp at the bit to prosecute him/her as well.

eh hmmmmmmm I DID comment on the attempted burglary on Cameo Terr where they did enter the house. But no one decided to pay any attention to that...but on here you start talking graffiti and BOOM....Everyone has something to say.

reds if you get a chance go check out my comment on Cameo Terr. After reading what you just said, made me laugh. I would be that homeowner getting arrested

C, my comments in jest were not strictly confined to Baltimore County. The arrest and charging of home and property owners all over this country who defend their property happens on a regular basis.

By law in most jurisdictions if an intruder breaks into your home you are to retreat to a place of safety in the home before you are allowed to defend your family and yourself.

There was an instance where an elderly woman had just purchased a gun. She called 911 as a man attempted to break into her home. He eventually entered and the 911 dispatcher told the woman to wait until the police arrived. She had no time, she fired and said burglar was dispatched to the great beyond..

It's a wonder they didn't lock that murdering nasty old gun owner up. ;).

When they're caught they should spray paint them if found guilty.

and yet these people bitch about graffiti, hey if you guys hear about a burglar gettin his head blown off by a sawed off shotgun, and the home owner goes to prison for murder, you fuckers better donate money to bail him out!

you said it PERFECT!

yes i do have an occupy rally to attendant, in a few weeks, where the people are going to come armed, molotov cocktails ready, and this will be the next seria revolutionary war and you elected piece of shit official will fall. and the people of this country will finally take it back to wht it was when our founding fathers settled hear. since George Washington, the government became corrupt, untrusting, unreliable, dishonest, and you got people thnking they are gettin support thru the government when really its the citizens tax money supporting illegal immigrants,welfare groups,and financial support systems. while you are ALSO using MY money to go on vacations, let me see you on vacation wih my money. youll be arrested for fraud.

Councilman I think that you are overacting a bit. I don't see anything posted here that "trashes" Perry Hall. What I see are perhaps a few kids posting comments and a few who try to explain what theses kids are trying to do with their so called "art" Other than that I see Americans engaging in their 1st amendment right to voice their opinions.

Actually I thought it was rather mild until the last comments which used a variation of the F word.

Reds very well said

Reds for Prezzy-Dent!

Being to the right of Atilla the Hun, I sometimes surprise even........myself.

"And they expect those of us honored to serve as elected officials to do what we can keep private property and public places clean, attractive, and safe"

YOUR DOING A SHITTY ASS JOB IN DOING SO!

the court can order restitution but that doesn't mean you'll ever get it. In almost all cases you won't. What are you going to do sue the person and spend thousands of dollars and end up in court only to see some nitwit judge add insult to injury and let the guy off the hook all over again?

BUT you can be sure if the court imposes a fine they will get their money or the guy will spend a day in jail for every $10 owed until the meter expires.

anytime! and btw, you're welcome

Shepard Pratt is for the mentally ill and criminally insane. Saying that someone involved in graffiti which is a misdemeanor crime should be committed there is a far stretch from appropriate punishment to fit the crime.

But of course we have a President who has now signed into law an act which allows him to have the military drag you out of your home, indefinitely hold you without charging you and without benefit of a lawyer for a reason they may be totally unknown to you.

Is that the kind of America you desire? If yes, then hey, open the reeducation camps, open the FEMA camps and throw in whoever you deem an enemy of the state for reeducation and behavior modification..

I think that Shepard Pratt's resources would be far better used than in the manner which you advocate.

It's White Oak you big dingo...and you still shouldn't make a comment that suggests that the students who attend White Oak are idiots. Many of them are much brighter than you...You can't even get the school's name correct!

"This might upset you more? This is WAY MORE EXTREME...Painting "toe" On a wall is cute and all, its where i started, but spray cans hurt the environment more than my techniques, so I stopped, but the following serves a real purpose, really expresses something, Is EGOLESS (not spreading a tag) and honest. It might even be considered "wrong" in the rules of "writers" guidelines, but hey...Someone has to be more extreme and push the boundaries of art even more than the "writers" trying to make things pretty. Art has its ugly side, just like life! Great thing is, these guys make their own paint and the quality/quantity is UNLIMITED. Red food coloring, olive oil, brake fluid, water etc. Simple house hold items can ruin your day and these people think its AWESOME. If you don't want anything to happen to your precious car...WALK, RUN, or RIDE A BICYCLE to work! Stop eating McDonalds, Stop Buying IceCream, GO VEGAN. EAT MORE HEALTHY CARBS so you have energy to be good to your kids and wife! Watch/Read Fight Club and do something REAL with your life...BE A THINKER, Challenge Authority...Stop being a sheep. Never drank alcohol, never used drugs (no cigs/weed, nothing) Never hurt anyone, No Promiscuous Sex etc. My morals and values obviously out-weigh your criteria for what a decent human being consist(s) of...get real DESTROY SHIT THAT KILLS US/causes cancer" POLICE BOAT:
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