On the Outside Looking in at GOP Infighting
County Republican chairman and committee air grievances behind closed doors.
Tony Campbell, chairman of the Baltimore County Republican Central Committee, and members of the group have spent the better part of his first week in office trading barbs in published stories and in e-mails—some sent to the media and some that were never meant to be read by outsiders.
Campbell even invited the media to attend a special meeting of the committee Monday night at the Holiday Inn in Timonium to witness the airing of the grievances or what Campbell, an ordained minister, called "a come to Jesus meeting."
But when push came to shove, Campbell and the committee voted to go into executive session and expel the invited outsiders, including the media and even other Republican activists who are not elected members of the committee.
Over the last week Campbell's fellow party members have criticized him for wanting two new Republican councilmen to support Democratic Councilman Ken Oliver as the next council chairman and for offering to raise money for some Republican candidates in return for a 15 percent commission.
Campbell has fired back, both in the press and in a series of e-mails, at critical committee members. In those e-mails Campbell complained that some committee members were out to get him and that they should impeach him if they thought they could.
"Let's save ourselves a lot of wasted time and energy fighting over scraps of power and bring your charges now!" Campbell wrote in that e-mail.
Campbell summed up his first week in office on Monday night, which was also his birthday.
"I have not had a good week," Campbell said before closing the meeting to the public.
What went on in the room over the next hour or so was not exactly a mystery.
Visitors who remained in the hall were able to watch through windows in the door to the meeting room as Campbell's supporters and critics each rose in turn to voice their issues.
You didn't even need to press a glass to the door to hear the raised voices.
"You're not even giving Tony a chance," said Georgie Trudil, a committee member who supported Campbell in the 2010 primary election campaign against previous chairman Chris Cavey.
Gloria Murphy, a committee member and wife of former chairman and state delegate Don Murphy, told Campbell what many out in the hallway had been saying.
"You're supposed to be the most partisan person in the Republican party right now," Murphy said.
After the meeting, both sides said that a lot of issues had been aired but there was no consensus on whether the gripe session helped.
"I think everyone knows where everyone else stands," said Fran Harris, a committee member and aide to Del. Pat McDonough. "Hopefully, we'll start over."
Bruce Robinson
10:18 am on Tuesday, November 30, 2010
Bryan, this is almost as good as being there.
Ken
10:44 am on Tuesday, November 30, 2010
I am disappointed that a "closed door" session is not respected, even as a symbolic gesture. What happened to journalistic integrity? Has journalism stooped so low as to print what is heard by listening through a glass cup pressed against a wall?
As a community leader and activist in Timonium, I was looking forward to working with my Patch representative on various issues in our community. Now...I'm not so sure he would be welcomed.
Bryan P. Sears
10:52 am on Tuesday, November 30, 2010
Ken: There was no cup to the wall. Not even my naked ear. Everything reported on was heard clearly by many of those who were gathered in the hall directly outside the meeting room.
Ken
11:28 am on Tuesday, November 30, 2010
Regardless of whether it was heard in the hallway...a "closed door" meeting is supposed to be honored on the same level as a request for "off the record", is it not?
Yes, I understand other things said could have been reported by what was "overheard" in the hallway. And doesn't that put you in an awkward postion, journalistically, to decide on what to print or report?
I am sure you understand the "cup on the wall" comment was used metaphorically.
Perhaps a Sargeant at Arms would have been better to deploy to ensure the guests were temporarily relocated until a consensus had arrived.
Bryan P. Sears
11:47 am on Tuesday, November 30, 2010
No Ken, there is no off the record stipulation attached to a closed door meeting. "Off the record" comes as an agreement between the reporter and the person being interviewed.
I'm not sure what you mean regarding your "awkward position" question.
As for relocating the guests, I'm not sure how you move the public from the hallway of a public accommodation such as a hotel.
Don't the Republican voters of Baltimore County who voted for central committee members and its chairman in September have a right to know how their interests are being served?
Ken
12:19 pm on Tuesday, November 30, 2010
Let me ask you this...if someone had made comments to a reporter and stipulated they were "off the record", wouldn't you expect that to be honored, based on journalistic integrity? What is so different from things that transpire during an Executive Session as far as reporting goes?
That is my point.
Roberts Rules of Order allows for guests to attend an Executive session, but only at the whim of the majority approval of the committee and only for the purpose of making a report to the committee in session. At that point, RRO requires that all comments during an Exec session be held confidential, as the meeting may contain controversial and sensitive discussions. Which should not leave the room, but may need to be said to obtain a consensus. My understanding is that a guest is also bound by the same confidentiality requirement (under RRO). It is as if you are asking the guest to recognize the discussion as being "off the record." Although minutes may be taken during and Exec session, minutes are supposed to be what was done, not what was discussed (again per RRO). These minutes, essentially the consensus, MAY be reported (read) to the general session, but the comments and conversations are not expected (allowed) to leave the Exec session (again, per RRO). My understanding of journalistic integrity includes allowing this process to take place, to respect the process, and to wait for the consensus to report on.
Ken
12:34 pm on Tuesday, November 30, 2010
Personally, I believe that the Republican voters of Baltimore County would appreciate that we are allowing for the process to take place and that we are following a civil process that allows us to air out differences while working on a consensus for the betterment and advancement of the party. While there may be some disagreements during the discussions, those disagreements are really incidental and often necessary to air in order to come to a consensus. I don't think the mature Republican voter/individual cares how messy it may get during the process, but more appreciates the fact that a consensus is being formed. Reporting on the messiness of a meeting really isn't serving the public, as much as the fact we are willing to go through it to come to a consensus.
Bryan P. Sears
12:50 pm on Tuesday, November 30, 2010
Ken: The "rules of journalism" probably isn't a tremendously hot topic or even a very interesting one(except maybe to journalism nerds). Sometimes the "rules" are confusing.
If I were interviewing a member of the Republican Central Committee, let's say it's you, and you wanted to go off the record you would ask me before hand. I'd either agree or not.
The privilege (in my opinion and that of many journalists) stems from the reporter not the source. You can ask for it but it might not always be granted.
Once I agree, I would not use that material unless you agreed to lift the request. I am always free to go back and ask you to lift the off the record stipulation.
An executive session is not something recognized as off the record by any journalist I know.
Roberts Rules of Order are merely rules by which a club or committee or governmental body can operate its meetings.
RRO are not binding in any way on journalists.
If you're a sports fun you've probably read a story or two about one of your favorite teams having a closed door meeting about things going on inside the team. The reporter covering that team still tries, and often succeeds, in giving readers an idea of what the meetings were about.
This is pretty much the same concept.
Ken
1:17 pm on Tuesday, November 30, 2010
Except the stakes are much higher than a few over paid athletes winning a game or two.
And there may be a reason why reporters are usually not invited into Executive Sessions unless they agree to confidentiality at the time.
Sorry for my "high-minded-ness". My mother was a political reporter (part-time), assigned to County Exec Agnew, and other relatives of mine are (or were) either on the Sunpapers staff, former national broadcasters or a senior member of network news (one happens to be President of one of the networks' news departments). The interest in the rules of journalism must be inbred. :) (I'm trying to figure out where this intensive interest in RRO came from)
Ken
3:01 pm on Tuesday, November 30, 2010
o As a former contractor, we used to have a saying when preparing customers for an extended project: "It gets messy in the middle..."
In most instances, when something has to be rebuilt, the rebuilding process is not necessarily pretty. But the end result is worth the aggravation. Being a long term thinker, rather than living by knee jerk reactions, helps to keep sanity afloat during an arduous time of rebuilding.
Although many people are/were appalled by the issues that arose during the first few weeks of this new political season, my personal opinion is that I am glad to go through it now rather than later. This gives us a chance to identify deficiencies and repair or replace them. If the party and the committee keeps looking forward, all this will eventually be thought of as helpful and useful for moving the party forward.
Embrace the conflict. Learn from it and let's make corrections. Those who continually meander through the deficiencies will only get lost in failure. But by using these times as stepping stones, we can build to new heights. Yes, I know this sounds good. But there is truth here. What we need is vision...a goal...a mission; to keep us focused and moving towards making Maryland a strong state and our communities a safe and healthy and more prosperous place to live.
Sally
3:18 pm on Tuesday, November 30, 2010
K Blue - I think it already has turned into a "you stink, no you stink" argument. Obviously, both men think they are right. I think I have to side more with Ken.
I question why the public (were they citizens and reporters or just reporters) stood outside the room after the meeting was closed? Makes it seem like they were hoping to hear something. I think the photo through the door window is not necessary. Also, how can Bryan so accurately report quotes by certain people? It seems to me he would have to be standing at the door, looking through the window the whole time to get such accurate quotes, if indeed they accurate. While he may think he got the scoop, I think this piece will hurt his integrity and make sources think twice about speaking with him in the future.
Bryan P. Sears
3:56 pm on Tuesday, November 30, 2010
Sally:
I'll let those who were quoted speak for themselves about the accuracy of the quotes.
There are several reasons why I stayed.
First, I've written about this issue over the last week and this meeting was a continuation of a story I was covering and I was invited to attend by the chairman.
Second,I knew I would want to interview many of the attendees after the meeting. I did so once they adjourned.
Additionally, there was no reason to expect that the committee would not end its closed session and move back into public session.
K Blue
3:38 pm on Tuesday, November 30, 2010
Sally, I was not there so I do not know anything other than what has been reported, but it appears that there were both noncommittee member citizens and reporters there, and that the reporters were specifically invited by the Chairman to attend.
Shanka
7:12 pm on Tuesday, November 30, 2010
Bryan is a reporter and, as such, does what he needs to do to get the story. What's so surprising about that?
As a very active republican, I take umbrage at Tony Campbell even suggesting that our Republican Central Committee support a democrat for council chairman. As Gloria Murphy correctly stated, as Chairmen of the REPUBLICAN Central Committee, Tony should do everything in his power to advance the Republican Party. Let him find another position if he wishes to reach across the aisle. And if he even hinted that a commission should be paid for fundraising, he ought to step down. Again, he should be helping to get Republicans elected. There are other ways to enrich the Central Committee coffers. Ethics must count for something.
Sadly, the majority of Baltimore County Republican voters more than likely have no idea what the Central Committee is or does. See folks, your vote really does matter!
Andrew Schotz
7:45 pm on Tuesday, November 30, 2010
This is a good discussion of executive session. As a disclosure: I am a reporter and friend of Bryan's. I also agree with his take on executive session.
Robert's Rules of Order govern the meetings of formal bodies. They don't govern how the press and public should act, other than they can't be part of the discussions.
I understand Ken's point about privacy, but the expectation of privacy also is important. If a group wants to hold a private meeting, should it keep the discussion to a level that can't be heard outside the room, building, area? The room might be off limits, but why can't someone stand outside the room? Should the group make sure the room is soundproof? Whose responsibility is it that the public can't hear? The public's?
I could see an argument with Bryan's reporting if he literally put his ear to the glass to hear something from which he rightfully was excluded. But he made clear to his readers that he didn't do that, knowing that question would come up.
What if the group declared an executive session and wanted to talk privately on the sidewalk? Should the group be upset if someone overhears the conversation? That's an exaggeration like Ken's, but the point is the same.
As a reporter, I'll stand outside closed sessions and wait - always in a place the public is entitled to be. When the session is over, I ask questions and sometimes interview people as they exit. They can talk to me if they choose. Again, Robert's Rules don't govern the press.
Andrew Schotz
7:54 pm on Tuesday, November 30, 2010
I'll add one more thought.
No, executive session is not the same as off the record.
Executive session is a privilege a public body may use to hold a private conversation if it is allowed by law.
Off the record is an agreement, as Bryan says, between a reporter and a source. It is not unilateral. Some people think that saying "off the record" gives them absolute immunity and protection to say what they want after that point. It does not. I've heard public officials insist that comments were off the record at a public meeting. They were not. I and my colleagues have printed them.
The important lesson is to be aware of the ground rules - for executive session, off the record and all other interactions between the public, the press and the government.
Ken
11:06 pm on Tuesday, November 30, 2010
Thanks for your comments, Andrew.
There is one issue that I have a very small problem with and that pertains to the concept that reporters live by a different "code" of conduct. I don't mean it to appear as rash as it may sound.
But what happened to allowing the process to work and waiting for the result? Doesn't the media take responsibility for prolonging the agony in many cases? Or perhaps interjecting angony where it is not necessary?
The fact was the CC needed to heal and it needed the opportunity to go through that process. Why can't it be allowed to do that efficiently? Is that the role that the media takes in this process? This is new to me, as I have been a small business owner for over 20 years, and am used to being able to own up to and lick my wounds when I make a mistake. And the necessary healing of any former business mistakes can take place rather quietly (in restrospect) and quickly.
It would make sense to me that if a reporter, or any guest for that matter, were invited to a meeting that as part of accepting that invitation, they automatically agree to abide by the rules governing that organization. Are you saying that journalists live by exclusive rules? Disrespective of the host organization? Hmmmm...seems to be a conflict in ethics there...somewhere in there....
I'm sorry I wasn't aware of nor did I see the Journalist bubble that Bryan was sitting or standing in, out in the hallway. ;)
Ken
11:12 pm on Tuesday, November 30, 2010
At the same time, I can truly appreciate the watchdog role that the media plays to ensure transparency, fairness and ethical behavior of a governmental or party related organizations. I just wish the same "eye" was on illegal contractors that plagued my former business and industry. I'd probably still be in business.
Andrew Schotz
7:50 pm on Wednesday, December 1, 2010
Ken: Bryan wrote in his story that he was invited to the meeting. Suddenly, it was closed. He and the public respected that and waited outside. As I said previously, it wasn't his responsibility to tell everyone to be quiet inside the room. If the group that held the meeting was concerned about being heard, it could have taken a variety of additional steps.
As for prolonging or interjecting "agony": Many public bodies try to hold private meetings on topics that are, by law, required to be discussed in public. Embarrassment or discomfort are not grounds for holding a secret meeting.
The press would be a lot weaker, and the public would be served far less, if reporters put down their pens and notebooks every time someone didn't care for the press showing up. As Bryan noted, this was a topic of public interest.
Bryan has made it clear that he was invited to this meeting. Perhaps you should direct your criticism at the person who invited him.
Dave Aughenbaugh
10:49 pm on Wednesday, December 1, 2010
As an 'outsider' with an 'insider' perspective...'the posture' set by the current chairman has given reason for the elevated interest in the story...and if there is a story, I would expect that 'under the circumstances' Bryan or any other reporter get the story and report it. After all, he was invited right? What was the expectation...he would take his pen, pad and leave? NO WAY...Ken, you did raise a very good point in your closing statement however...should the media take a similar interest in other pressing issues [illegal contractors] print media might have a chance of survival. This does however make for a good read on a cold Wednesday evening! :)