Thank you for profiling our children. They worked very hard all season and it's amazing to have them to be recognized by the Perry Hall Patch. All of the parents appreciate your coverage of community events/news in Perry Hall, and are especially happy to see this great news about our winning team!

This is an excellent photo, Kristi. Thank you so much for contributing it!

These boys should be proud of themselves, but these coaches should be ashamed. This team has been one of the most controversial teams ever to play in the league. These young boys played the way they should, but the coaches had them playing in an inappropriate division. These boys were playing 6-8, while almost all of them should have been on the 7-9 team, and they were playing in division II, when Perry Hall rec should have had them in division I. While these parent coaches were using their children to win some trophy, they did them a disservice by not allowing them to compete with their peers. Shame on you coaches, and shame on Perry Hall for allowing them to do this.

Yes, these boys were playing well below the level they should have been at, but by the time the right people found out, it was too late. You can not blame the children, or take away the rest of their season because of a "mistake" made by one of their parents. In the future people will be held accountable for their actions, and we will not allow this to happen again.

After seeing the coaching staff I am not surprised. One of the guys has absolutely tarnished the local baseball program.

The boys may have won, but their parents will always be losers! Way to teach your kids to play by the rules. With parents like that I expect nothing but trouble from those boys in the future. My son will be playing in Harford county next year so he is not associated with these jerks. Way to ruin a good program!

@ Wm warriors dad! Let your son play in Hartford country. My son will play for Perryhall where winners are born.

@koehling! Your kids must play for a bad team. Come to Perryhall where we don't recruit all over the state to find good kids.

Everyone should get the facts straight before posting ridiculous comments. All of the boys are 8 yr olds. PH wanted to play in the first division for their league and thec state tournament but neither would allow it. These coaches work their butts off all year to teach theses kids the fundamentals. PH is actually one of the few programs that don't recruit.

I'm so tired of people complaining about people who volunteer in their community. Most who complain have never given even an hour of their time much less coach a team through a season like this. These kids worked hard as did their parents and coaches putting in hours of time on the field and off. You all should be ashamed to tarnish the reputation of these good people just because of things you hear or based on an individual experience.

EB i would like to know what mistake you think one of our coaches made?

Wow!! Our boys worked so hard, and were so proud of this article. What a shame that an petty adult had to ruin it by making ridiculous comments. Why does an 8 year old have to be on a 7-9 league? Why not a 6-8? Our team followed all of the rules, and were gracious to all opponents. I'm embarrased for the people who made negative comments here, you should be ashamed of yourselves. It's kids rec football, get a grip!!

I don't have a dog in this fight, and it has been 30 years since my kids played rec football. But these moms certainly give off the feeling of guilty! Just stay quite and take the licks you deserve.

I am not guilty. I am a wife of a guy who selflessly gives of himself to coach football. He has been for 15 years and I will be damned if some jerks who don't know what they are talking about try to ruin his reputation. I'd like to see some of you work your full time job, coach a sport as intense as football and run the entire football program. He took over 2 yrs ago so any problems you had have nothing to do with him Without him PH's football program would be non-existent.

While you all are in your lazboy watching tv or on summer vacation he's fielding calls from 300 parents, coaches for 25 teams, organizing registrations , ordering equipment AND preparing to coach a team.

If you think you can do it better I invite you to volunteer to help out. Then maybe my husband and I would have time to go out to dinner or take our kids on a day trip. Think before you start saying terrible things about good people. These coaches are all husbands and dads with families who read these awful posts. The people hiding behind these screen names should be ashamed of themselves.

hey koehling! Get your facts straight! All these kids belonged in 6-8. This was one of the youngest and smallest teams in the league! So i dont know where your getting your information but you better shut your mouth. Wouldnt surprise me if your a parent from a team we beat. If your that sad about it go play soccer and get away from football!
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Hey EB and wm warriors dad, i didnt forget about yall either. EB, it might of looked like we played in the wrong division but the we were just that much better than the other teams, we tried to get in division 1 but they wouldnt let us!

wm warriors dad, im guessing you were cut to the B Team so now your saying bad stuff about our coaches because you think your son shouldve been on the A Team

Looks like you guys realized what happens when you say rediculous stuff about us. Now about 4 of us have replied back to yall and yall arent gonna say nothin back and never say anything again about this team

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Jewel, Kristi, Derek - Stop, you are just fueling the fire. Put the computer down and stop typing. You are perpetuating the stereo type created about you guys above.

I rarely post comments on Patch because I do not think it is generally the best forum for a productive discussion, but I feel compelled to weigh in for the sole purpose of requesting that people consider the tone and content of the posts on this article. The purpose of the article was to highlight the achievement of a team of kids who worked hard and won a championship. Please don't let accusations and name calling to overshadow that accomplishment. It would be nice if the parents of the members of the team could print this article and save it for them, without comments undermining their accomplishment. By the way, I have no interest in this issue other than trying to prevent the negativity from consuming what is a positive article and trying to avoid having some of these comments reflect poorly upon the community.

TK..... I would like to know who WM Warrior's Dad is, hiding behind a screen name....After coaching baseball for over 10 @ White Marsh Baseball, they have a lot of WHINING PARENT'S, so you should just shut up....As for Chris whom I suppose your talking about , If you put in 1/10 of the TIME he does for Perry Hall Football, and you have a grip about something , Just Man Up and go talk to him, If you have the NUT'S......

I'm proud to say my kids played on PH teams. All the coaches we encountered encouraged the kids to be fair and show good sportsmanship. They did this mostly by power of example, including Coach Chris. The values my son gained from PH coaches is what continues to separate him from others on the high school football fields. GO GATORS!

Oh and bye the way I don't have a Dog in this fight I just think it's Hilarious when IDIOT's what to start spouting off about this stuff.....Blah..Blah..Blah....

Gunview Fred we just replied back because what those 3 people posted about us cheating was 100% false and was rude to say that stuff and its taking from what these kids accomplished this year. These kids had better fundamentals than talent. They beat most of the teams they beat because of the fundamentals the coaches taught them since 5-6.

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Maybe if these other teams had better coaching, it wouldve been closer games vs. this team.

The same parents who are accused of cheating are telling people to shut up and calling them out to fight. No need for a judge and jury! YOU CHEATED!!!!!!!

Way to go Gators. Way to go coaches. WAY TO GO KIDS!!!!! To the parents up there who are whining -- y'all are cyber punks. Get a backbone and stop hiding behind the cyber-curtain. No wonder your kids lost.

Personall, we are just standing up for oursleves. The 68- ph gators are fine with having a bunch of haters----whatever!

Hey Tim, my son played on the 7-9 Gold Football Gator's team in 2005 and Won the H/B National Division Title which for your knowledge is the A division, and my other Son played on the 7-9 Gold Football Gator's Team in 2006 which also won the H/B National Division Title which again was the A division...I think you need to research your fact's before making STUPID Statement's...There were so many GOOD athlete's in Perry Hall Football between 2000 and 2009 that some of the Perry Hall B team's were as good as Most Other Program's A team's.......Now Please Quit Your Bi_ch_ng......and grow up...

Perryhall Jim! Name a time we cheated? I would like to know.

Jim, please tell us how we cheated? I hope you have facts to back up what you r saying. You all should be ashamed did ruining these Kids' chances to tell the community about their achievements.

Fred, it's kind of difficult to sit back while people are saying terrible of things about your husband for the entire community to read.

This is what it's like at the top boys.... Get used to the criticism and excuses from those who cant get there!

Hope to see you losers in the STATES next year!

GO GATORS!!

Perry hall Jim, in this country you can be accused of anything, Until your are found Guilty you are Innocent....My God what is wrong with you, and I have not seen anybody call you out to fight, can you read .....But I will tell you to Shut Up because you are not making any sense just accusation's....Go To Bed Man.....

Dennis Robinson, Jr. - - Amen - you said it, sir. Thank you for your neutral comments.
My son has played on this team for the last three years, and I am proud of what he has learned from our coaches, our parents, and his teammates. I had absolutely no interest in football when he started, but I personally have learned so much about the game by being a part of this league. Our boys have grown tremendously on and off the field over the last three seasons. Win or lose any game - - everyone is a winner. It is what we preach and teach our children. I believe people are entitled to form their own opinions, but let's be adults here. Unless you personally were a part of this team, it is not fair to mis-judge. We can certainly learn a thing or two from our boys about respect, maturity, and the definition of the words 'good sportsmanship'. I plan to ignore ALL of the inappropriate comments and appreciate all of the positive comments people wish to leave on this blog. Gators Fam.....not necessary to get bent out of shape over something like this. Before I post, I do want to give my heartfelt thanks to our coaches - I would want NOTHING more than for you all to coach my son for years to come.....and to my Gator Fam - Love you guys!!! God bless each and everyone of us - be safe during this holiday season.

WHAT SHE SAID.....

PEACE OUT.. Gotta go hug my 8 year old before his court apprearance tomorrow. Darn hoodlem...

Just returned home from spending my evening in the equipment tower to see this sad string of comments. It is your typical uneducated responses from people that have no clue what they are saying. I concur with Mr Robinson's response about this article and its intended purpose being ruined. Parents are of course going to defend their boys and coaches from false accusations. I feel obligated to defend myself and the Perry Hall football program. I truly appreciate the positive responses and support. For those who may not really understand the way the football program and league are ran please feel free to stop up the field and discuss the matter with me. Maybe you'll find out your thoughts are not near correct. You could at least put down your name if you feel your statements are true. Man up instead of hiding behind a computer screen spreading lies about people.

Chris Halford
Perry Hall Football Commisioner
6-8 Head Coach

This thread is utterly pathetic.

...and my wife wonders why I have a pessimistic view on society today.

Thanks to all the parents that tried to defend a weak position. You have offered up hours of entertainment to all the people reading this. You have also shown your true colors. No wonder all the people are against you! Merry Christmas!

Jewel I have say how sorry I am That "adults" can act this way! I hope Jeremy doesn't ever read any of this bc that would be a shame for him to think anything other than him being a winner!!!!! I would hate for him to think adults can be this childish!!!!

Thanks to those who support the Gators and our kids' accomplishments. 6-8 A Gators, Division and State Champs!! Go Gators!

congrats to the PH Gators for their win. PH certainly fields good A teams. Unfortunately, they are detrimental to their B and C teams, which they seem not to care very much about. However, the coaches of the B and C teams take just as much time in the preparation as the A coaches. What I have witnessed year after year is that PH is only about winning. They cherry pick for the first three weeks the children they want for the A team and leave the rest to the B,C teams. Thus, these B and C teams usually have anywhere between 7 and 10 more boys on the team, making it much more difficult to coach and to win. At these age levels it should be about fundamentals of football, learning the game and learning to love the game. Not just about the win. I know my sons football team certainly could have won every game if it was all about playing the starters, but our coach thoughtfully played every player equally and fairly. Each boy learned the fundamentals and was able to put what he learned into practice during game time. I am very proud of our coach, the coaching staff and all of the boys from our team, even without winning every game. And if given the chance to play again with eachother and their coaches will see the same success as the A teams.

Congrats to young players and wishing them the very best and a Merry Christmas. For those that think its easy to run a football team let alone the football program..get a grip and join up to help..it many many hours of time..

Drink another one Perry hall jim...
Productive way to spend your time.. guess theres no military funerals for you to protest today...

I am really trying not to let the ignorant, petty people who keep bashing the success of not only this team, and these coaches, get to me. I realize that sore loser adults produce sore loser children.
We have had someone say we are "losers", another say that they expect our children to become "troubled adults" and others say that we have a team that encourages cheating and dishonesty. Very few people outside of the parents on the team have bothered to speak up for these children and this accomplishment.
This is an incredible statement on the ignorance of those who prefer to hide behind anonymous user names to criticize those who use their time to serve the community. This is also typical of poorly educated, self-centered, confrontational people who make themselves and their teams look ridiculous. Some of the same ones commenting, repeatedly, are the ones who never made anything of themselves and attempt (or attempted 30 yrs ago) to live vicariously through their children. Here's a tip: teach your children to be good students, good servants in the community, good citizens and good people. That's what we do at Perry Hall.
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The only people defending this team are the parents. Members of the community (The Perry Hall Community) are continuing to call out the despicable acts perpetuated by these parents and the Perry Hall Rec. This speaks volumes to the community, why are people not coming to your rescue? If these posts are untrue, you would think that Patch would remove them. I agree that this story needs to end, and we MUST let these young boys enjoy the victory. But Perry Hall Football should take a good long look in the mirror and decide if they are really doing what is best for these children.

JD.. Im a parent and Im not defending the comments about our kids, team, coaches or parents. WHY?? Because we dont NEED or WANT yours and or anyone else's approval. This is about our Gator family.
As for you speaking for the community, the corner bar isnt the community JD..

Tim,

I've been involved with the Rec programs at Perry Hall and White Marsh for over ten years. I strongly disagree with you regarding the issue of keeping track of wins/losses. First, I'm pretty sure that every sports program withing these Rec councils offer Clinic programs for kids ages 4-7. The clinics offer parents such as yourself exactly what you demand relative to instruction without the competitiveness.
I've coached clinic teams with my kids, and I found that by age 7, most kids are ready to experience competition. Some parents move their kids into the 8-10 age groups, because their kids have learned the fundamentals and developed the skills necessary to compete.
Meanwhile, I've coached in every other age group besides clinic at both the Rec level and travel level. Their are just as many postive lessons to be learned from losing as opposed to winning. Winning and losing is not just about a team's record, it's about whether the players are getting Positive Reinforcement from the coaches and parents. Theirs's nothing positive about blaming the other coaches just because they appear to be a stacked team. A good coach and parent will rehash the positives from the loss or from previous games!....................

I don't understand those who complain about cherry - picking players. there's a reason there's an A, B, and C team. players need to play up to their potential and opppnents' level...otherwise they could get hurt. it's no different than major league baseball having a farm system...it's also no different than having GIfted and Talented programs in the schools. if you put someone who doesnt have the skills or knowledge to excel in an advanced program, then they are being set up for failure.

ATTENTION PERRY HALL 6-8 FOOTBALL PARENTS!!!!! - You may have thought that it was not a big deal to cheat. You probably thought that the kids would have fun winning a state championship. Well I hope it was fun because we as members of the Perry Hall community are now paying for what you did. Our rec council has lost (at last count) 5 invitations to events/tournaments because of you. Our wrestling program, boys and girls lacrosse, and basketball have been told directly from other teams and organizers that Perry Hall is no longer welcome because of the football cheating scandal. Now the parents of the 6-8 gators team may not be effected by this because there kids don't play other sports (They are too busy taking steroids and learning how to steal hub caps), but the rest of the community is pretty pissed off at you guys! Thanks!

Is this for real? Is everyone in Perry Hall this insecure? Who cares. Good lord. There are injustices every where. This argument is so stupid. Doesn't anyone have anything better to do? In reality, this thread is no different than moaning about the speed of the check-out person in the grocery store line - you're going to go through the line, you're going to moan about it, you're going to say you're never coming back and then you will be back in three days. Just stop. You're a bunch of cowards hiding behind the computer. If you want to do something about the problem, do something, but don's just sit behind your computer and moan. Get out of your chair and make an effort. The coaches are not coaching from behind a computer. The people who administer the leagues are doing so in person - spending real personal time to do it. Stop moaning or do something. Stop being losers. You make me want to move.