Bills are not available at this time. I will report the language in the bills as they are introduced.

It's the dogwhistle. Here comes every silly bugger of an argument with a load of CopyPasta from the "Eddie the Eagle" coloring book.

"Durp! There's no such thing as an assault rifle."
"Gleep! Hammers kill people. Why don't we ban hammers?"
"Barp! Doctors kill people. Why don't we ban Doctors."

There Joe I saved you the trouble....

Of course Bryan, I was noting Joe being Joe.

I know, Sorry, FIFA. I meant more as a clarifying point for all readers who might worry that the details of the bills were withheld. I've just not seen them. The devil is in the details. Hopefully, we'll see some of this stuff soon. Also, I should caution, it is not unusual for the county to slip in some pretty significant bills that were not part of the announced legislative agenda. There was a bill two years ago that changes fees for a ton of licenses in the county that wasn't on the agenda but was introduced early enough that it probably should have been.

@ Bryan I was wondering if a bill is not pre filed or released to you to report on, isn’t it fair to assume they (public officals) always have formed a committee that existed at some point to develop a bill. Is there such a thing as a roster of on going committees and chairs in and on the issues public officials are working on?

Were you wearing your white dress and white cap while typing your garbage?

Frank, have you ever shot a bolt action or a shotgun? I own both of them and I can tell you that they both fire extremely fast and reload quickly as well. You can cause JUST as much damage with a pump shotgun as you can an AR.

Matter of fact, anybody with firearm's knowledge will tell you the AR's .223 bullet was not designed to be a man eater, it was deisnged to be a small compact lightweight bullet that soldiers could carry a lot of. Some people even think it is so under powered that it should not be used by the US Military. If a .270WIN hunting round hit you, you can forget it.

Practice >>>> Theory

Fifa so i am in the KKK, because I want to protect my family? Because i use the term "Baltimore trash" I should be branded a racist and my argument is invalid and I should be pushed to the sea? I am not a racist and I know baltimore isnt full of trash, but I can tell the difference between a stand up guy and a POS. Why dont you go on a stroll down norf ave and then try to tell me I have no reason to need to defend myself? Small town with 360 murders in ONE YEAR yet I am a fool because I comment on it? 360 people brutally murdered in only 365 days but nooooo, cant mention that! If you mention fact's about inner city problems you are just a RACIST ANIMAL!

funnyguy, you are just simply wrong.

Give me an AR15 with a 90 round magazine and you with your shotgun, good luck. You leave out a lot information about the .223 round which has a velocity of 3200 feet per second and is designed to bounce around the inside of you before exiting. I strongly suggest you don't want that round hitting you either. Thus creating a wounded soldier. At the range the Conn. school shooter had, just like most mass killings, it this the ability to fire a lot of rounds in a short period of time that is the issue. Some people think smoking doesn't hurt you also, clearly the military have settled on the M16.

"Matter of fact, anybody with firearm's knowledge will tell you the AR's .223 bullet was not designed to be a man eater....."

General McChrystal [ret.] disagrees with you and don't take it personally but I aam going with the General on this one.

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2013/01/robert-farago/general-stanley-mcchrystal-ret-223-too-lethal-for-civilians/

Hey funnyguy, you should know by now that, any time you point out certain situations or facts on this forum, you will be branded a racist immediately and either shouted down by the usual rabble or censored by certain subjective interpretation of the Patch TOS.

jmo, statements like " I hope I am never caught in a riot full of baltimore trash ready to burn down my house and rape my wife" make you a racist. Just admit you are a racist, it is much easier than pretending you are not. I don't care if you are a racist, it is just embarrassing for a so called "man" not to admit it. Man up.

M. Sullivan, you are just a part of the crowd. funnyguy had his facts wrong and he made racist statements like you regularly do as well.

Interpret my statements as you like, FIFA. I simply point out what should be obvious to anyone willing to face reality. You, on the other hand, seem to only be capable of juvenile insults in most of your posts. Do you find yourself entertaining?

The gun stuff...who cares about the terms...is not about stopping their use in crimes, it's not about guns at all....it's all about control...future perceived control over law abiding citizens...for they are the real threat to an out of control, over reaching government..

The only thing it will succeed in doing is making politicians feel better about themselves.

No it will not lessen the chances of it at all. A family of gun owners will always keep firearms no matter what you make illegal, weather they are bolt actions or assault rifles there is a GIGANTIC market for firearm's in America and people will always have firearm's. If unfit people have access to any firearm's, they can still go on the same exact shooting spree's with the same results.

They banned Assault Rifles in the 90's and we still had mass shootings then.

The specific weapon a shooter uses's has NOTHING to do with the fact they went on a shooting spree.

Every try to fly? You gotta take your shoes off and get a finger up your butt just to make it to Atlanta. How many millions of dollars do we spend protecting air ports? Why cant we have an armed guard at a school just like we have armed guards at bank of America?

Guns are good. They the last line of defense for people like you and I. My 5'5" girlfriend can stand up to a 250 pound rapist with one (hopefully not limited to 10 shots to protect herself from one). If you wake up tomorrow and gas is $50/gallon and there is no food in the grocery store; your good look's and carefuly thought out response's on a website will not keep you and your family safe and alive.

The .223 is a decent round for the AR,but I prefer the 5.56 NATO round a lot better.

funnyguy, you just don't get it. You have armed guards at some BOA sites, not all, because that is where robbers go. If sick people want to shoot children and you put one armed guard at every school, do you really think that will stop the killing. Before school the kids are standing around waiting to get inside, the 90 round magazine AR15 will kill a lot of kids before the armed guard gets a chance.

The assault weapon ban does not work because it didn't take out the existing stock of weapons. The issue is in the semi-automatic firing mode of the weapon. Take that away and you will reduce the number of rounds fired. Of course the only way to eliminate the problem is melt all guns and ban the manufacture. Which is a pipe dream.

@BAN, the 5.56 round is almost identical to the .223 and so close that the .223 will fire in a 5.56 barrel, but not the other way around.

I know strict gun control is working so well in Chicago. 500 people killed with guns this year.

Gee Neil, you sound so smart. Please tell us where the criminals in Chicago buy their guns? Is there a store on the corner selling the guns to them? Please explain where the guns come from. Magical transportation perhaps? Stupid analysis Neil.

Criminals will always be able to get guns. Gun control laws only take them away from law abiding citizens. Making us further dependent on government. It is not a coincidence that Florida and Texas have less gun related crimes.

Florida and Texas don't have less gun related crime.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2011/jan/10/gun-crime-us-state#data

Steve, how can you state "Florida and Texas don't have less gun related crime."
from your link when Florida is not even listed?

Just more lies from the bugger Steve.

Neil, only in America.

Frank, pickpocket Joe learned it from Steve and Bryan. Joe is a shoplifter and a bad one.

Or a responsible elected representative pushing an agenda item that may actually save lives.

Clinton created the gun free school zone. Even though there were several examples of teachers and janitors having guns and stopping crazy people.

Yup, the WV Law school shooting where a student got his firearm form his truck and stopped the shooter without firing a shot, and one in PA where a teacher retrieved his firearm from his car and confronted the shooter and brought it to an end.

"Yup, the WV Law school shooting where a student got his firearm form his truck and stopped the shooter without firing a shot"

LOL that's not even close to what happened. Two cops (who were students) ran to their cars to get their pistols and by the time they got back the shooter had already been subdued

Appalachian School of Law
Mikael Gross and Tracy Bridges.
Gross and Bridges reportedly ran to their cars to fetch their own guns and returned to confront Odighizuwa, who surrendered after allegedly initiating a fistfight.

"According to Bridges: at the first sound of gunfire, he and fellow student Mikael Gross, unbeknownst to each other, ran to their vehicles to retrieve their personally-owned firearms[6] placed in their glove compartments. Mikael Gross, a police officer from Grifton, North Carolina retrieved a 9 mm pistol and body armor.[7] Bridges, a county sheriff's deputy from Asheville, North Carolina[8] retrieved his .357 Magnum pistol from beneath the driver's seat of his Chevrolet Tahoe.[9] Bridges and Gross approached Odighizuwa from different angles, with Bridges yelling at Odighizuwa to drop his gun.[10] Odighizuwa then dropped his firearm and was subdued by several other unarmed students, including Ted Besen and Todd Ross.[11]

According to Besen: Before Odighizuwa saw Bridges and Gross with their weapons, Odighizuwa set down his gun and raised his arms like he was mocking people.[12] Besen, a former Marine and police officer in Wilmington, North Carolina, engaged in a physical confrontation with Odighizuwa, and knocked him to the ground. Bridges and Gross then arrived with their guns once Odighizuwa was tackled.[5] Additional witnesses at the scene stated they did not see Bridges or Gross with their guns at the time Besen started subduing Odighizuwa.[13] Once Odighizuwa was securely held down, Gross went back to his vehicle and retrieved handcuffs to detain Odighizuwa until police could arrive."

The gun related incidents in DC dropped once a Judge ruled the handgun ban is illegal. Not because of gun control laws.

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2011/09/30/media-silence-is-deafening-about-important-gun-news/

Neil, the "Gun laws work!" was a facetious statement. I said the gun crime dropped after Heller which is the decision you mention. Heller v DC.

Joe, you assume because the sun came up in the East something else happened. Ridiculous.

Sorry. I am with you on this. I miss interpreted the original post.

Possessing a lot of firearms didn't do this Nutter one bit of good.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/09/keith-ratliff-fpsrussia-dead_n_2439284.html

Jimmy, I don't believe you for a second. Give me the 90 round magazine semi-automatic AR 15 and I will let loose a volley that you will not even get close too. Make sensible arguments, not dumb ones.

Imagine what Jerry could do with a semi-automatic assault weapon. Good thing Jerry is not a mass shooter, eh?

Ha Ha Poorly trained Gun Nuts. Skilled Marksman. Hardly think so...

That's not even remotely true. All evidence of increased gun sales is anecdotal. If it truly up 400% then that would be reflected in the stock prices of the publicly traded companies in this industry (which it hasn't).
This is just a rumor started by the NRA's mouthpiece the Washington Times and Faux News. The Moonies and Cerberus control over 2/3'rds of the Firearms industry. They have a figured out a nice way to utilize the Rightard media to get the lemmings to jump off of the cliff.

In Darrel's case it looks like it actually worked.

Darrell, no matter what you post, what your sources, Steve the Denier will whine about it and claim it is not true. Then you can prove what you said and he will continue to deny and call you names.

"“We can’t be civil with them. We can’t. We’ve reached the end of bipartisanship. We’ve reached the end of civility. It’s like the Geneva Conventions. These people are out of uniform. Once they exit the realm of civility they are now fair game. And it’s enough playing fair with them. It’s enough having the moral high ground. If we have the moral high ground it means that we lose. We need to start fighting back and fighting back hard.“"

Ben Shapiro

"Gun sales and permit requests have surged across metro Atlanta since the Connecticut school massacre last month, a trend many say will continue as Congress considers tougher gun control measures.

In December, Gwinnett’s weapons carry applications doubled from the previous December, rising to 1,082. Cobb County saw an 89 percent hike to 1,212 last month.

Fulton and DeKalb saw increases of 39 and 40 percent, respectively, with Fulton receiving 732 applications and DeKalb 398."

Just more anecdotes.

Fear About Gun Legislation Pushed Firearm Sales To Record High Last Month.

"Gun sales reached at least a 14-year high last month, according to a widely used, if imperfect, measure.

The FBI processed 2.78 million background checks through its national database (NICS), meaning last month was the busiest month ever for gun-sellers since NICS began in 1998. For contrast, authorities in Dec. 2007 processed 1.23 million checks, and five years before that, in 2002, only 974,000 checks."
http://www.forbes.com/sites/abrambrown/2013/01/07/gun-sales-exploded-to-record-highs-in-dec-amid-anti-firearm-fear/

More anecdotes.

The silence is deafening!

Matt, those you want to answer never do. Have you SEEN their posts? Do you really think they would answer with any substance? The best you will get is being called names like "gun-nutter" or "teabagger". My dog could give you more civil coherent answers.

Oh, I know. Logic, reasoning and FACTS escape them.

No one seems to be outraged over the real firearms problem. HANDGUNS that are used in the perpetuation of drug and gang violence. God forbid we ignore the everyday happenings of criminals and instead, focus on anomalies!

In case you haven't read the news Matt, I am for the complete banning of all semi-automatic weapons. Any questions?

Matt, I broached that elsewhere about, according to the FBI UCR, 38% of all homicides are caused by blacks, mostly black men.
ANY firearm crime discussion cannot take place without discussing 38% of all homicides. that would be a fools game, but seems to be many fools not willing to discuss such and are far more fast to call me racist for even posting such stats.

FIFA- that's all well and good, but the firearms bell has already been rung. Millions of semi autos are out there already. Good luck confiscating them without bloodshed. By the way, how have Chicago, San Francisco and DC's gun bans fared in court? Oh, right. They've been overturned. Confiscation won't happen and the politicians know it. So, lets stay in reality here.

Matt, you haven't read many of my posts. I have consistently advocated for the banning of semi-automatic weapons. I have also stated it will not happen in this country. So, bottom line, when will the next mass shooting occur? That is the only question.

No one knows! So, back to my question, why are we so focused on rifles?

You don't like copy and paste because every time I do I prove you to be the fool you dirty bugger. Anecdotes? Hardly.

Whenever you are proven wrong dirty bugger you bring up all your red herrings and straw men. Surrender as someone else has shown you do so easily.

Frank accepts surrender and defeat again.

"Obammy" is going to start the largest civil disobedience this nation has ever seen or he is going to start the second not so civil war with his continued attacks on the US Constitution and the law abiding American people.

We the People wrote the US Constitution and we delegated to the Federal Government 17 Enumerated powers. None of those powers delegated to ANY one man the power to alter or amend the US Constitution. Any Executive Orders will never apply to the citizens of America. If he goes that route it will not end pretty.
We have a Constitutional Republic, not a Central African Dictatorship, as much as the usurping fraud named Obama desire to be one.

Your racism is showing.

Lemme grab my Tinfoil Hat. Joe is Copypasta'ing off the deep end. The Founding Father's take on the 2nd Amendment...

http://truth-out.org/opinion/item/13786-the-founding-fathers-vs-the-gun-nut

Frank, tell us again how a man buys a firearm "legally" when he lies on his background check paperwork?
You last comment is a comment of surrender and defeat.

Surrender and defeat again for Frank. Proven wrong again.

If a man LIES on a background check Frank, he did NOT obtain the firearm legally.
If you cannot grasp that fact there is no hope.

More red herrings Frank. You were wrong and now you go to another topic to distract form your being wrong again. Surrender and defeat is your life.

Ms Lanza bought her firearms legally. Her son STOLE them so he too was in possession of them them illegally. You are not the sharpest knife in the drawer Frank. Your surrender and defeat is your life style.

More red herrings Frank. You were wrong and now you go to another topic to distract form your being wrong again. Surrender and defeat is your life.

I cannot fathom someone could be as ignorant and closed minded as you are Frank.
Armed guards can be a police officer a Sheriff,a Deputy a hired guard or any other number of people that the PARENTS and the local school boards and governments decide are qualified to do the job they are hired for. Why don't you open your eyes and see the forest for once instead of looking to play your childish liberal word games. Pick a few words and attack like a rabid dog.

Look at IDEAS instead of making yourself feel better by finding someones spelling or grammer mistakes. Open your EYES and mind Frank and your small closed world will be brighter.

Some of these Nutters have no problem with sending armed criminals to protect the schools. Like Whackjob Arpaio....

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/07/joe-arpaio-school-patrols_n_2425100.html

Another uneducated gun owner. I wont dispute with you there are some people that SHOULD NOT own guns. But for people like myself and my family that was educated in weapons should not have to pay the price for a few. Guess next your going to want to ban dogs like my attack trained German Shepherd because he might just kill someone.

Eastsider, here is the simple non abrasive answer to you We, liberals, don't give a single hoot about you wanting to hunt or target shoot. But when you arm yourself with an AR15 firing military ammunition with high capacity magazines or 30 round magazines in handguns like a Glock, you don't even care. You want to hunt with a bolt action rifle, that's not for me, but go for it. You want a revolver in your home for protection, go for it. But when you want weapons that can be easily used for mass killings of innocents, like Emilie Parker, we have a problem with your "2nd Amendment rights". What is it that you don't understand

What I understand is that you and others are wanting a ban semi auto weapons and that's fine and I as well as many others enjoy the use and protection they give. So who will win? I would say the best lobbyist will and you or I will lose.

I will agree with you I don't need a 30 round magazine for my weapon.

Why doesn't the people have a problem with the 21st amendment, alcohol kills more people then guns?

Speed on highways and roads kill thousands every year but car manufactures build faster and faster cars and no one complains.