Don't speed in school areas, no harm no foul.
It's pretty sad it's even needed, but such is the state of driving in Baltimore County.

Leave the police force to stop the more serious crime, which they seem to be rather successful at.

Don't speed and you have nothing to worry or whine about.

Paul, this is false on so many levels. I'd expect better from you.

1) Cameras do stop crime, by penalty of...wait for it....collecting money from LAW offenders.
2) Police stop crime all the time.
a) They stop crimes in progress, given notice
b) They capture criminals, and as such, stop them from continuing to commit crimes in the future.
c) They stop crimes through crime prevention techniques, education, etc

Honestly, I'm not sure what part of your comment is more insulting and poorly informed.

Finally, again, don't speed. Especially you old people, who have the reaction time of a glacier. Speed cameras are a non-factor if you don't break the law. They even tell you how much you can STILL speed and not risk capture. Knowing full well that for all intents and purposes, going 1 mph over the speed limit is 'speeding' as the speed limit dictates.

Tim, we agree to disagree here.

1. Cameras have no ability to stop crime. The person driving the car when warned stop the crime themselves. If the person committing the crime is unaware of the camera, the crime will be committed and never stopped.
2a. My statement was "stop almost no crime". Very few times does a police officer catch a criminal in the act, except speeding.
2b. Capture criminal, then release criminal to commit more crime.
2c. Crime prevention = stopping crime, a stretch at best.

Sorry you were insulted, but I find you stretched the truth here to support your point of view.

Cameras have every ability to stop the crime of speeding.
I can see the tears from people crying here about it. It makes me laugh "How dare they even try enforcing their speed limits with cameras".

It also sounds like you're simply not giving our men and women in blue half the credit they deserve. That's unfortunate, and not my stance.

No, I fully respect what police officers have for a job and now it is my turn to be insulted by your insinuation (but I'll get over it ;-)). Seriously, I would like less time spent on traffic offenses and find another way, other than cameras, to get the traffic job done.

I also just pointed out my view that they spend a vast majority of their time responding to crimes already committed versus preventing crime with which you seem to disagree.

For once, Paul, you and I agree. The cameras are a money scam and the police can't stop crime; they can only move it somewhere else, the same as crime prevention techniques. Criminals intent on committing a crime will just go where the police are not. If your house is well lit and bolted down tight, the criminal will just go down the street to your neighbor's house.

You do realize why they make money...right?

Because stupid people speed anyway. Yes, I said stupid. You are simply stupid if you speed where there is a speed camera. Not ignorant. Stupid.

In reply to G. Gray, I couldn't agreed with you more. We have been asking for a
speed camera or some kind of traffic calming measures for the past 6 or 7 yrs but have landed on deaf ears. How many accidents & Deaths have we had on Honeygo Blvd. and Gunpowder Farm Rd. The speed limit is 40 mph but the law allowes the morterist to go well over the 12 mile limit in a residentual area from 40 mph to well over 60 mph. Where does it stop, we have to live here. The camera does serve it's purpose, the purpose is to save lives and slow down. The morning, afternoon and night traffic is overwhelmingly stressful at Perry Hall Farms, We might not have a school but we do have new families with children, play grounds,ball field ,library, joggers, walkers who are all trying to enjoy their community. We've had to many accidents and Deaths over here. Hopefully the county will come up with a Traffic Camera, you don't know unless you try it, to see if it helps in any way. We have seen enought accidents on Honeygo Blvd. and Gunpowder Farm Rd.

Cathy,

Cameras only record a violation, notice of which the owner of the vehicle will receive weeks later, the owner may not have been the operator. Speed humps are effective and can be designed to work at the posted speeds on any road.

The reason the elected choose cameras is REVENUE not safe roads. Speed humps generate no revenue, they just reduce speed.

Speed humps don't generate revenue, but they'd require more taxes to maintain as they have a tendency to get worn down in high traffic areas.

Remember that failed attempt at putting speed bumps off of the White Marsh Blvd (31C) exit off of the Beltway?

This is money the state and county don't have, and aren't getting in today's political climate.

Since these cameras are all about 'safety,' how about cameras at crosswalks to catch people who do not stop when a pedestrian is in the crosswalk? Or cameras to catch people who do not cross at the crosswalks? Camera along roads to ensure that drivers adhere to the 3 foot rule when passing bikes would be great, too. And camera at the exits of schools to take pictures of the parents whose children are not using seat belts? (stand at the exit of Seven Oaks ES at the end of a school day and watch the dozens of cars leaving with kids in the front seat, no seat belt)

One would think that with modern technology, new cars could be built with a speed governor that is activated by electronic devices installed on speed limit signs. If the speed limit is 30, the car's governor would not allow the vehicle to exceed that speed. Kind of like a cruise control...

Evets, let's go one further. With today's GPS technology let's have a self-reporting system. The car wirelessly notifies the government when you speed and the government automatically debits your account for the fine? And the car honks the horn to let you know you have been debited.

If the system automatically slows down your car then the government could not collect the fine.

I'm all for #1 and #2. Again, if people weren't a******es and violating both traffic and public safety laws - we wouldn't need any of it.

3, I don't agree with. However, I'd be all for people who blatantly run the stop sign to get ticketed. Rolling stop? Nah. That's ridiculous.

It just blows my mind that people are so against these. Actually, it shouldn't be. It just reinforces how terrible and inconsiderate this county's drivers really are.

Taking it 'Your step further' the technology's already there. Some insurance companies are actually offering it on a voluntary basis. If you agree to it, you get your rates dramactically lowered.

I don't actually agree so far as to allow 24/7 monitoring of your driving habits, but I'm totally in favor of situational implementation.

Ah JTF, not all liberals drink the speed camera "Kool-Aid". Speed cameras are not a partisan issue I believe.

Cathy,

I have stated, Cameras do not stop the offender, Cameras only provide a source of revenue. The owner of the vehicle receives a violation notice weeks later. The owner may not be the driver in violation.

Speed Humps on the other hand which I have posted, have the desired results 24 hours a day, 7 days a week.

Speed humps cost less to install and maintain.

The company that installed the speed scam-ras receive revenue for every violation and the county receives a small potion of the fine.

Speed Scam-ras are a tax on stupid drivers.

If safer roads are the goal there are much better methods to deter speeding.

Other Tim, one I don't lie, you may ask others, they will vouch for me. I have never had a speed camera violation. I have seem many others get their picture taken. I have seen a picture of my wife though. The $40 was her problem. I am very careful to keep my speed to under 10 over the posted. Anyone who tells you that they never speed should have their license taken from them, they are dangerous.

Yes, I oppose cameras.

Other Tim, I have also seen speed cameras on the Beltway at 6:30 Sunday morning, without a single worker present, except for the guy in the white Jeep taking pictures, making money for himself, his employer and the State. Great system.

Paul,

I have seen the guy in the white truck on a Sunday Morning at 6:00.

I took his picture which pissed him off.

The best goal being you don't run red lights, and you don't speed in school zones.

Novel approach, I know.

I may also point out that virtually all rear end collisions are the fault of the driver behind, not any red light camera. Here's an idea: Stop tailgaiting, and driving badly.

JTF - Your points about the red lights are well taken. Yellow lights are much shorter than they used to be. I has been found that shorter yellow lights enhance revenue. As we all know, the government can spend that revenue better than all us dumb ignorant citizens. We must trust government to ruin our lives because private citizens are inferior to government officials. (right?)
Why are they putting them in front of schools? So you can get more indiferent to it when they start putting them everywhere (the old Its for the children line) This is a threat to freedom. Will you support or oppose Electronic Facism?

JTF: I don't think liberals would consider me liberal. I'm anti-illegals for one thing. I'm also not a big fan of federal government expanding - although I am a fan of local governments expanding.
See, unlike many people in this country, I don't let parties define how I think. I'm plenty capable of doing it for myself. Both have their good points, and both have their terrible points.

There is no legitimate reason to oppose speed cameras, except for cost/benefit. You want them to stop being utilized? Show the county you (collectively) don't suck at driving and make the county hemorrhage money using them, and force them to be removed.

I see all the rage about them, and it literally cracks me up. Mostly terrible drivers, complaining about having to pay for law violations. I don't understand how some of you don't see the hilarity of it all.

All these people who think government is the problem would sure change their tune the day they actually needed government to help them out personally. Hypocrisy is popular among people.

Oh, for the record, I WAS a registered Republican until a couple months ago. Now, I'm not registered with either party.

Paul,

You may be correct on that line of thought, or proof of the idiom that even a stopped clock is right twice a day.

My position is cameras are a poor method of law enforcement. A photo can be used as evidence in court, however a human testifying that the event took place is what the constitution provides a defendant.

I seldom agree with The A(merican) C(riminal) L(iberty) U(nion) .

American Civil Liberties Union, just to correct you. They protect us, even when we don't like it.

Paul,

The ACLU only protects the rights of the ones they choose to protect. The do not protect the rights of all the people.

Paul,

I do know what ACLU is, I am sure you also understand the name the way I posted it.

We disagree, they will defend (not support, there is a huge difference), the right of the Westboro Baptist Church to behave obscenely. That is the price we pay that comes with the Bill of Rights.

Paul,

Westboro Baptist Church, has the right to prove what idiots they are. I also support the right of groups who protect the families of the fallen from the activities of the Westboro Baptist Church. I remember reading sometime ago, Westboro were protesting in a small town when all four tires were slashed on their van. None of the service stations in the town would provide them service. While I do not support the crime of tire slashing, the Businesses had a right to refuse them service.

While Westboro has a right to shout out their hate and their vile thoughts I have a right not to hear the low life children of unmarried parents.

Sometimes it sucks to be Americans.

Paul,

You have a valid point there.

I say it this way:

"America and Maryland are great places to be despite the efforts of the people we elect."

Agreed.

Wait, you want to ban the motorcycle or the driver? The motorcycle, like all vehicles, are inanimate and do not speed or tailgate or hit woman crossing the road...

Maybe people can protest by not driving on those roads, too. :)

I know lots of people who would enjoy this.

That's a good idea. If all the people who insist that speed camers are nothing but revenue generators are right, then if no one speeds, the government doesn't make any money, and the speed cameras will get moved.

How about they put the new dog park on this road?