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Stemmers Run Student's Grandfather Charged with Gun Violation

Baltimore County police said a 13-year-old boy threatened a teacher and classmates with a handgun Tuesday morning.

 

The grandfather of a student who brought a handgun to Stemmers Run Middle School was charged with a gun law violation Tuesday afternoon. 

A 13-year-old eighth grade boy allegedly pointed a .25 caliber handgun at his teacher, classmates and himself before the teacher intervened and disarmed him. The boy was taken into custody.

The boy's grandfather, 70-year-old Norman James Gatewood of the 300-block Stillwater Road in Essex, was charged with violating a law mandating weapons be secured from children under 15 years of age, according to a Baltimore County Police Department news release. Gatewood allegedly owned the gun the boy brought to the school.

"We’ll charge any individual who violates the [gun] law," police Chief Jim Johnson said in the release.

Following the incident, County Executive Kevin Kamenetz ordered increased police patrols at all county schools.

"The teachable moment here is, 'Lock your weapons up,'" Johnson said in the release.

Related Topics: Stemmers Run Middle Gun Incident, Stemmers Run Middle School, and essex crime

Mike Fisher

7:04 pm on Tuesday, September 11, 2012

There's more to this story than this. How was the child treated? Children don't just go around stealing their grandfather's gun and taking it to school to possibly shoot people, then threaten suicide while in tears (if that's true) if everything is ok at home. I want to know what his upbringing was like. Is he living with his grandfather? Why are his parents not mentioned in this article, where are they?

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Carla

7:36 am on Wednesday, September 12, 2012

My child goes to this school. He said this boy was repeatedly bullied by other kids! They made fun of him for his height and how he speaks! After so much bullying, one can only take so much! This still does not make it right to bring a gun to school! Children need to be taught by their parents to leave others alone!!!!!

Al Day

7:37 pm on Tuesday, September 11, 2012

We will probably never know the entire truth in any of these situations as the politics against the 2nd amendment is using so much leverage. Why the rash of such incidents. No one, and I mean no one brought a gun to any school I attended years ago. Broken homes, immature adult role models etc are going to continue to create more problems. Kids being brought on earth by those who are not capable of being good parents, negative influences including tv, computers, games and a lack of any qualtiy community standards are all culprits. Take God out and this is what you end up with.

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Mike Fisher

8:31 pm on Tuesday, September 11, 2012

See, here's what I disagree with in your post. Negative influences have no effect on children that are raised the right way, at least by one parent. Personally, I was taught what was wrong by my dad (what NOT to do to people) and my mother was a great influence on me. I was allowed to watch whatever I wanted on TV, horror movies with my dad (when he was around), I've used computers since I was 13 and even played video games since I was very young, violent games into my teens. The thing is, I knew the difference between video games/TV/Movies and real life. There are no consequences in video games for your actions, that's the beauty of them, but I don't believe for one second that they CAUSE these things. Kids with a good head on their shoulders know right from wrong regardless of what they see on TV or what kind of video games they play. Blaming TV, computers, video games or any source of entertainment for your behavior is just misplacing blame. It's just a cop out to blame a TV show or a video game, it all comes down to the parents in the end. Playing violent video games doesn't make people violent any more than reading Cindy Crawford's book on how to be beautiful will make you beautiful. If you are taught right from wrong, you understand video games aren't real. You understand movies aren't real and you understand why you can't do the things you do in video games in real life. It's just so convenient to point the finger at an inanimate object because you as a parent failed.

Matt Walton

8:32 pm on Tuesday, September 11, 2012

Maybe if Maryland's concealed carry laws were not so against an individual's right to protect his or her own life and loved ones, the granfather would have carried the gun on a regular basis and would have realized it were missing sooner. Realizing it were missing, he could have rectified the situation before it escalated by educating his grandson about the seriousness of the situation and the great responsibility it is to possess a firearm.

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Mark

8:48 pm on Tuesday, September 11, 2012

Maybe, if the law puts this old man in jail for a long, long time, others will get the point, follow the law, and lock up their firearms. Matt, I keep reading your comments and cannot follow your logic...it seems that you are blaming the laws of Maryland, claiming that putting more guns in pants pockets would make us safer.In fact, the laws are not against your right to protect yourself from your perceived enemies, but to protect the rest of us from the senseless gun violence wrought by members of "well regulated militias."

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Al Day

4:31 pm on Wednesday, September 12, 2012

Mark, let me get this straight. If someone breaks into your home during the night and you and your wife are threatened you would rather call the police and wait for them to respond? And if you did possess you would want it locked up instead of next to your bed? What's the crime rate where you live? Must be fairly bad. Thieves usually pick spots where there are gun laws in place. They generally don't care about the law themselves and find those that do make for easy pickin's. I wish you well buddy cause you are a sitting duck.

Rocco Rotondo

9:15 pm on Tuesday, September 11, 2012

Only if you are a regulated malitia you may cary a gun. Second amendment.

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Other Tim

9:37 pm on Tuesday, September 11, 2012

Seems the Supreme Court disagrees with you.

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Joe

7:49 am on Wednesday, September 12, 2012

Where did you make that up from? What ignorance.

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Tim

8:34 am on Wednesday, September 12, 2012

In fact, the Supreme Court just situationally detached the service in 'a militia' (from a Constitutional standpoint) from the right to possess a firearm.
(2008)District of Columbia v. Heller. In it, simplified, the Supreme Court ruled anyone could legally own a firearm for specific purposes only, such as self defense within their home or current domicile.

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Al Day

4:27 pm on Wednesday, September 12, 2012

Nonsense. Pure and simple. Where I live a gun is a necessity and is as common as a pocket knife or keychain. We have rattlers and wild hogs and because we carry we don't have thugs.

fred

9:19 pm on Tuesday, September 11, 2012

unless the police search each individual, increasing police presence in the schools will not prevent weapons from being brought into schools or anywhere else for that matter. it will speed up response to the situation that may or may not help. someone name better ideas.

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Robin Fortner

4:36 pm on Wednesday, September 12, 2012

Finally someone else has recognized that it doesn't matter how many police are stationed at every school and how many wands are on school property.....unless EVERY person entering EVERY school is scanned, prior to entering, NOTHING is going to change. It's time that the school system gets back to the basics of life; allowing teachers to discipline appropriately, allowing counselors to probe into childrens lives, etc all of the things that were in place and used on a regular basis back in the 60's and 70's. AND allow the teaching of morals - right vs wrong, real vs reality. Our youth today are on their way to hell in a hand basket because adults have stopped being adults and parents and grandparents and guardians. Kids can't thrive without strong and firm leadership and being treated AGE appropriately. The only thing I can do is pray....

Arbutus Town Crier

9:19 pm on Tuesday, September 11, 2012

Us Americans are so regulated by this Government WE ARE THE regulated malitia !

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Steve

9:59 pm on Tuesday, September 11, 2012

What an oiut of touch Crazy White Old Fool

Mark

9:30 pm on Tuesday, September 11, 2012

Arbutus Town Crier, how does any gun regulation make you a part of a "malitia"( I guess you mean militia.) In other words, what are you talking about?

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Joe

7:51 am on Wednesday, September 12, 2012

Past AG Curran said in an opinion that Maryland has 2 militias, the 'organized' and the 'unorganized'. The organized being the one the state arms and trains the unorganized is all other able bodied males.
So yes, we are all a part of the Maryland militia.

JC K-town

9:35 pm on Tuesday, September 11, 2012

Hmmm..... The logic is if the CHILD was taught about gun EDICATE..ie...Not safety BUT it is not acceptable to THINK about POINTING a gun @ a person......as I was 50++++ years ago.. This would not be an issue WHERE ARE the parents???? Maybe @ the Riverwatch shining up their Harley???? JC K-town

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Matt Walton

10:02 pm on Tuesday, September 11, 2012

I am an advocate for the right to carry. Not everyone, but responsible citizens. The people that carry firearms in our state are either criminals or police officers. It seems like the police are less prevailent than the criminals. My post was to provoke discourse. I was educated about guns and gun safety early in my life. I feel education is key. Making sure children do not have access to firearms is paramount. I would never leave a gun accessible to a child:

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Tim

8:41 am on Wednesday, September 12, 2012

Now see, I'm still undecided, personally, about allowing normal citizens the right to carry. I'm not completely against it.
This anti-gun/liberal belief that it'd turn into the wild west is fairly inaccurate. Why? If you kill someone (non-self defense), you're going to prison one way or the other. If you kill an assailant who's robbing you at gunpoint, then you know what? they deserve it.

I completely agree with allowing folks from owning a firearm, however, at least for the sake of home defense.

I also completely agree about education though, Matt. My wife was raised around firearms.

John Vincent

11:18 pm on Tuesday, September 11, 2012

Give me a break, Charge the Grandfather. The Baltimore County Police Department is an example of Major Failure when it come to public safety. Do you honestly believe that charging this Grandfather is going to make a difference? I am disgusted with everything about this incident. Instead of working towards finding out why this student felt he had to bring the gun to school they are after the easy conviction with the grandfather, every police officer working for Baltimore County should be ashamed about the way the higher ups have decided to camouflage the real problem with an easy target. Convict the 70 year old and ignore the child's cry for help. waste of public resources and a waste of an opportunity to steer a child in a better direction. *sarcasm* Maybe they'll charge the 13 year old as an adult?

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Joan Wood

12:28 am on Wednesday, September 12, 2012

John Vincent......i totally agree 100 %........first where are THE parents......since I am not familur with this family or their situtation, it;'s hard to say. I think a LOT of our kids problems today comes from no family support. The teachers are no longer allowed to repremand the kids...when ever they act up a little or get a little rambuncious......"oh my goodness.....they are hyper, they need to be medicated" I truly believe most of the problems facing many of our young people come from not having a strong family support system.......not really the fault of the many of the parents.......of the few, that might have jobs they are working maybe two jobs just to make ends meet........others (and you know who you are) just really don't give a rat's a** about anything and use the school system as nothing more than babysitters........when I went to school, we listened to and respected not only our educaters but our parents and if I did something wrong, not only did my mother know about it when I got home, but I was in double trouble, now it seems everyone has an excuse as to why it's not his or her fault......always someone else to blame for bad decisions.and bad behavior.

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Sam Battle

6:21 am on Wednesday, September 12, 2012

Oh heck i wonder where the School Police Ofc. was at during both of these cases in baltimore county... we are paying i am sure hundred of thousands of dollars to have these school officers and still have these type of cases and worse yet is we are haing more than ever ??? How about spending less on the useless S.O.R List and use someof that money to beef up school security and protect our kids against each other

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Leah Griffin

11:08 am on Thursday, September 13, 2012

You are ridiculous to think that 2 or 3 Student Resource Officers can be EVERYWHERE at ALL times. My children attended Kenwood High and the 2 resource officers (Knudsen and Cooper) were phenomenal in dealing with the amount of issues that were presented to them DAILY. They built relationships with the students and treated them with respect, which is more than I can say for some parents of these same students. Once again, another person who wants to blame the police, the school system, ANYONE other than who should really be blamed....THE PARENTS!! Unfortunately too many parents are afraid of their own kids....I subscribe to the philosophy...you live under my roof, I have the right to know whatever the hell I want to know about your every day comings and goings. Worry first about being a PARENT and less about being a FRIEND. My kids talk to me, their friends talk to me and they all know that I will be there to help them with a minute's notice. Stop blaming everyone else and start focusing on what the problems are and work on correcting them!! Respect, attitude and social skills are first learned at home...be a ROLE MODEL!!

PerryHallCrafter

6:33 am on Wednesday, September 12, 2012

Without even taking into consideration the reasoning behind the child's bringing of the gun to school lies the fact, whether you agree or not, that the grandfather allowed an unsecured weapon to fall into the hands of a child. There is nothing that says that a law abiding citizen cannot own a gun. It's when that gun gets into the hands of a child or someone other than the owner that it becomes a crime. I have been around guns all my life and no matter how angry, defiant or sad I felt, the thought would (and still wouldn't) never cross my mind to wield that weapon against another in anger. The only exception would be to protect my family in a legitimate attack against our safety, to protect life. There is a terrible breakdown in society when kids are taking guns to school to shoot others and/or themselves and there is no video game that teaches that. It begins at home, with involved, caring parents and responsible people around the child to ensure their well being, education and safety.

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Mark

6:47 am on Wednesday, September 12, 2012

It's so tempting to ask Sam just how one man or woman could be everywhere on a campus at once, and to ask John why it's wrong to charge the grandpa for breaking a law requiring gun owners to keep their weapons unavailable to children...so I think I will.

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Al Day

4:36 pm on Wednesday, September 12, 2012

Mark, thats an easy one. Because the law is wrong. Just cause no one has challenged it yet doesn't make it right. Like I said flakes like you are the reason thugs have such and easy job. We are allowed to carry where I live and have actual real live guns available for intruders which means we haven't had an intruder in our community in over 60 years. Guess that shoots your argument to hades.

Homer

7:22 am on Wednesday, September 12, 2012

It all boils down to negligent / bad parenting. Child was on the verge of doing something drastic and no body in the house saw this ? And Gran Pop is just an idiot and violaters like this should get an automatic go to jail card for a week - no questions asked.

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Carla

8:49 am on Wednesday, September 12, 2012

According to my son, who goes to this school, this boy was repeatedly bullied by other kids. They made fun of his height and how he speaks. I asked my son why he did not tell the principal or teachers and my son's response: "He was afraid to because he would look like a snitch only to get further bullied"!! I think it is all of our responsibility as parents to teach our children not to make fun of other kids and especially not to bully anyone. Kids that bully have serious problems. Although that does not make it right to bring a gun to school and threaten others! This was an unfortunate event that no one got hurt, but it will keep happening until the root problem is dealt with.

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Tim

8:52 am on Wednesday, September 12, 2012

Yeah but bullying has happened all throughout time. I was picked on in high school for being a Northerner (I went to high school in Richmond, VA). Sports was eventually my avenue out of it (tennis) but it was tough because they didn't play hockey down there (if they had, my lot in social life would've been much better off). Instead for the better part of my first three years of HS I was a hardcore gamer/shutin at home. I never wanted to kill anyone, I just wanted to be left alone.

Heck, I'm still a gamer today, 20 years later. A more 'balanced' gamer, I suppose, but that part of me will never go away.

In my limited (and I stress limited) experience, the ones who are bullies at school are either bullied at home, or are enabled by their father to be bullies because they too are bullies.

Reporting to teachers and administrators, well, I don't really see how that helps matters. There isn't much schools can do, is there? They can't babysit the bullied at their bus stops, in the hallways, at lunch, etc can they?

If we, as a society, want to eliminate bullying, punishments - legal punishments enacted by our government(s) - need to be enacted on the parents of bullies.
Kids won't bully as much if their parents are aggressively working against it at home.

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Carla

9:40 am on Wednesday, September 12, 2012

@Tim:
In your exact words - you wanted to be left alone! What all of us want! However, the bullying today is relentless and much worse today than 20 years ago.

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Al Day

4:37 pm on Wednesday, September 12, 2012

Why is gran pop and idiot? Does love of live and ability to defend it equal idiot in your world? If so you deserve what you get.

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Leah Griffin

11:19 am on Thursday, September 13, 2012

Tim, you are correct...bullying has taken place in every generation, but as a parent of recent high school students....all I can say is WOW, we had nothing on these kids!! Some of the stuff I see when I look at my sons' FB and twitter accounts that are posted by other kids that they know are unbelievable! If either of my sons posted anything of that nature, even now...since they are technically adults at 18 & 19, I would rip them from one end of the earth to another. Adult or not, I expect my sons to be decent, productive members of society and I reinforce my expectations with them frequently. They are far from angels...but they know where the line is drawn and they know the consequences if they cross it. Boundaries, expectations, rules...what a concept!!

Amy Kelly

7:26 am on Wednesday, September 12, 2012

This defintely a lesson for anyone owning a gun. If you leave guns out and easily picked up, someone may use the gun against you/or others (even your own grandchild). As Robert Frost said "Good fences make good neighbors.." Lock your macho bull crap up before someone gets killed.

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K

7:34 am on Wednesday, September 12, 2012

Sam-Seriously....Where was the SRO? Like they could have predicted the incident in the classroom? Typical reaction. Place the blame where it doesn't belong. Don't worry having an SRO in a school isn't costing you any additional money. Research it before you make a ridiculous comment. You obviously have no idea about the program and how it has had a great influence on many childrens lives since it's inception. Yes, they have to deal with trouble in the schools, but they also provide great mentoring to our youth....that in most cases they do not get in their dysfunctional homes. You really are speaking about something you know nothing about. Yes, some of these troubled children come from perfectly decent households, but there is a vast majority that are raised in very troubled homes and have been set no better example.

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PerryHallCrafter

8:52 am on Wednesday, September 12, 2012

Excellent response Sam. SROs are a great addition to school staffing. When my son was an unfortunate member of Dundalk Middle's population, he had signs taped to him that said, "Kick Me: I'm Autistic" and "I'm a Re**rd". No one "ever saw any such thing" going on. It was only until other students came to my home with their parents to help collaborate with us to go to the school was something done. My son was pushed around and bullied for being a snitch and threatened. I finally got him out of that horrible place and into a school that specializes in helping those with Autism, but not without witnessing him crying every day after school, begging not to go back and his stating he wanted to die. A SRO was there for him during the worst of it, offering someone to talk to during school and a safe place to go when he couldn't take the bullying anymore. My son comes from a loving and decent home and I know first hand how bullying can affect a child. SROs can't be everywhere at once.

Catons-villain

9:59 am on Wednesday, September 12, 2012

"Reporting to teachers and administrators, well, I don't really see how that helps matters. There isn't much schools can do, is there? They can't babysit the bullied at their bus stops, in the hallways, at lunch, etc can they?"

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No they cannot. However, if more kids were encouraged to report these bullying incidents to administration AND administration took a serious stand against bullying (not just a “window dressing” stand as I strongly believe they have in the past) – perhaps things would get better. These bullies should be expelled. First offense, detention. Second, expulsion.

We have laws on the books penalizing adults for assault and battery. But kids bully, kick, and harass each other -- with little to no penalty -- until the bullied reaches his/her breaking point. This nonsense has got to STOP.

I implore Superintendent Dance to draw a hard line on bullying NOW. Bullying should fall under the "mandated reporter" umbrella -- any administrator who witnesses bullying incidents on school property should be required to report it.

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Carrie Wrightson Keys

1:53 pm on Wednesday, September 12, 2012

I think Baltimore County as well as all other Counties should EXPEL any child that bullies. Kids need to learn that this is a crime and there will be consequences with your wrong actions. Also, Baltimore County has issued that the Police on duty in the schools will have hand held metal detectors BUT can only use them if they feel a crime is going to be made. This will not do anything. The two Police Officers at the schools cannot be at all teachers and students shoulders 24/7. They need to scan every person that wants to enter the school premise. That means morning scans on all students as they enter and if a parent or someone comes later in the day, they are not just buzzed in, they are to be scanned also. They also need to put into place a class that teaches on Bullying and the effects of bullying just like they teach Sex Education. All kids are not taught certain things from home due to having parents that dont care or parents that work too much to make ends meet and the kid feels they dont care so it has to be taught somewhere.

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number9dream

2:19 pm on Wednesday, September 12, 2012

If the child has parents that don't care or parents that work too much to make ends meet, how will expulsion resolve the "bullying" problem?

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fred

4:55 pm on Wednesday, September 12, 2012

searching every day will catch someone with a weapon, however are parents ready and willing to add a couple of hours to the school day for this to occur.

Tom Brown

3:37 pm on Wednesday, September 12, 2012

I taught at Stemmers Run for 30 years. Most with their comments seem to be demonizing the parents of this student. No one knows the situation with his parents. Good parents will have good kids who do bad things as well as the opposite. It's human nature to look for simple answers/solutions when something like this occurs.
I'd like to give a "shout out" to the teacher who defused the situation in her classroom. Lets hear more about that!

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Al Day

4:41 pm on Wednesday, September 12, 2012

Okay Tom, great job teach. Next time you may want to pack a Smith and Wesson so you won't have to take such a risk. Just like the shooting in Aurora. If someone had a gun in the audience the perp would have been dead instead of shooting it up and killing 12 people. Call it vigilante if you want but it works.

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Steve

8:22 am on Thursday, September 13, 2012

Sure Al, firing your pistol in a crowded, pitch black, theater would really do a lot of good.

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Joe

8:49 am on Thursday, September 13, 2012

Steve, the cops did just that on the street outside the Empire State Building and 7 people were shot by the cops not by the perp with a gun.

Pat W

4:27 pm on Wednesday, September 12, 2012

Baltimore County Police said they were going to beef up police presence ha thats funny I havnt seen the SRO in our school for the last 2 days Guess they were in training. If the SRO is not out and about walking in the halls in between classes being in all lunch shifts the kids wont get to know them and feel like they can talk to them when they have a problem. SRO's can be a great asset to the schools but they have to be seen and willing to get involed with the kids not hidden in a room somewhere. SRO's need to jack a kid up for causing trouble like bullying then maybe kids will stop thinking they can get away with causing trouble at schools. Maybe after having to pick there kid up from the police stations or at least the SRO office at school some parents might start taking a stand at home. I know as a parent I would not want the police calling me everyother day saying my kid did this or that I would put a foot up his you know what. I am not saying it all falls on the school or SRO but it is a start if they are not going to put up with it then the parents have no choice but to do something or start homeschooling their child. Schools can not keep sweeping this kind of stuff under the rug and they do! I know if my child brings a friend home and they do not act right in my house then they have to go and are not welcomed back until the can act right under my rules. My house my rules your school your rules thats it.

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Pat W

4:27 pm on Wednesday, September 12, 2012

Schools are to worried about suspension rates rather then getting the trouble makers to follow the rules.

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number9dream

7:10 pm on Wednesday, September 12, 2012

Yes Pat, and the schools also realize that in a vast majority of cases suspended students have nothing but an empty home to go to.

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Other Tim

8:12 pm on Wednesday, September 12, 2012

Should not (I said should not) be the schools' worry. Schools should only be educating our children, not mollycoddling the troublemakers. It's society today. In Chicago, the teachers are on strike and the schools are closed, but the schools are still serving breakfast and lunch to some kids. Don't know what the answer is, but I do know what the problem is.

number9dream

9:31 pm on Wednesday, September 12, 2012

Other Tim: I agree. I and many others do have some answers, unfortunately they're politically incorrect.

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Emmy

10:45 pm on Wednesday, September 12, 2012

I can tell you, if you start making it mandatory for the bullies to attend some kind of Saturday detention (with their parents) where they all get taught the effects of bullying you will see a difference. Once the parents start getting "punished" too, you will see a change....I bet you my teaching degree on it. But again politics come into play.
And Other Tim: While I appreciate your comment, I think it's totally in la la land.....the environment that kids are in has a lasting effect on their schooling. While we as teachers can't control their home environment we can do something to improve their school environment to make it safe, Free and Appropriate.

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Dennis Gilpin

7:57 am on Thursday, September 13, 2012

Securing the firearms in the houses is the first step. Without the ability to get control of it the weapon would not wind up in school. Some children look at the incidents where they "think" taking a gun to school to will solve their problems.. The media will
" sometimes" justify the action ( but not meaning to ) by bring up bullying as the reason for the incident. Regardless of the problems a student faces in the school environment there is no excuse for putting lives in danger. This sends a dangerous message to a student who is trying to deal with any problem in school. How to deal with lifes problems starts in the home and shouldn't be put on the backs of the police or the school administration.More education on the consequences of these actions
should be taught in school. Evidently, it wasn't being taught at home.

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Joe

8:41 am on Thursday, September 13, 2012

Maybe FIREARM SAFETY classes are in order. Get the NRA Eddie Eagle course in all schools.
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The answer to sexual relations in the teens was to start sex ed earlier. The answer to this could be to teach them about firearms.

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