here we go with the "Two Males" stuff, no disrespect but we need to know the facts all the facts that you have please ?. if it was two guys wiht my last name I say put it out there!

Other Tim , you are probably right,,,,,,,,,, I mean that seems to be the pattern now a days...........or should I say Policy ? this very thing was being discussed on WCBM today,,,,,,,,, black folk are objecting to the use of race description ( the topic was the mobs of youth marauders violently attacking white people in the inner harbor area ( any one please correct me if thats inaccurate) As Pat Mcdonough.. stated we are not going to be intimidated from telling the truth........Hey when its two white guys, we need to know then just as well......... also to E,KImball,,,,,,,,,, sorry if I doubted your reporting "objectivity" . you can only tell us what you know Understood.............. since the editor was not informed of the race, we can only assume the police are holding back info from the public right ? is it safe to assume the victim had a pretty good idea of the race?

Seriously, get that bus line that allow these ghetto inner city kids into White Marsh/Perry Hall. I don't mean to be ignorant but I grew up in Baltimore City and you definitely want to stay away from these elements. That's a fact

I am actually afraid to go out anywhere after dark anymore. Of course I am being naive because crime can occur anytime, but it seems that the majority of it is occurring in the evenings. By the way, I agree with all of you on the subject of suspect's description and the use of, or should I say non-use of race in the depiction of the perps.

If you have been to the White Marsh mall/the Avenue on a weekend evening, you will see groups of kids, both black and white just milling around, sometimes being rowdy. It's horrible that there has been so much crime in this area lately, and I'm sure that it can be attributed to the bus line bringing these kids and their trouble in from the city. I know that these kids have a lot of disposable money, but if it's keeping adults away (who have more money), for the sake of the vitality of the mall, something needs to be done. This crime has now expanded to our neighborhoods, and it's time to do something. What else can we do, other than posting here? THIS IS MY NEIGHBORHOOD, YOU ARE NOT WELCOME HERE IF YOU CAN'T RESPECT OUR MALL AND OUR NEIGHBORHOODS.

Short and sweet;
Regarding large groups of kids congregating........how about the parents start doing
some "PARENTING". Know where your kids are and keep track of them.

Regarding neighborhood crime.....ever heard of 'Citizens On Patrol' ( COP ).
Get one organized!

BTW, statistics show that in the 35 states that have 'Concealed Carry' laws.....
crime goes down.
However,concealed carry will N-E-V-E-R be passed in Murderland (MD).
This state is w-a-y too 'SOCIALIST'.

I think it is time for our State Legislation repeal the current conceal carry laws to allow law biding citizens to conceal carry for their protection. Pennsylvania, Delaware, and Virginia have such laws and their crime rates are lower than Maryland's.

White Marsh Mall is now the new Eastpoint Mall people!!!! Recognize!!! How many of you can honestly say you enjoy going to the Mall on a Friday or Saturday night???

At last some others agree with my thiinking. In states with concealed carry laws, crime rates DO go down. Because the scumbags out there think twice about mugging or robbing because they don't know if the innocent victims on the street or in stores are armed or not, and they might wind up getting their heads blown off. The other point I would make is, hold the parents responsible for what their kids are doing out there. Make them pay.

Ed said , "Because the scumbags out there think twice about mugging or robbing because they don't know if the innocent victims on the street or in stores are armed or not," thats the point I keep forgetting............but some think it would make it like the wild west,,,,,,,,,,, not sure of that,,,,,,,,,, any thoughts on that ?

I'm not sure if drunks with guns is a good thing?

I fully agree I will not go anywhere near that mall on the weekends after 6pm.

So., who do I call to get some action?

Where are our county representatives on this?

Red Dolphin, I haven't heard any of the states with concealed carry law referred to as the wild west. Paul, not talking about drunks with guns, talking about innocent people going shopping at malls, 7-11's, etc..As stated in these comments and on the news, we shouldn't have to be afraid to go shopping anywhere, day or night.

Ed, no one disagrees that no one should be robbed, murdered, threatened, etc.. But my point is simple, drunks with guns, road rage, wild west, settle your dispute in the street!! My Glock will hold 31 rounds!

The question I have for everyone, is there more crime per capita, or just more reported because of the Internet?

I'm not sure how many states have the conealed carry law. I know Florida is one. I have friends who live there and say that crimes involving muggings and robberys and breaking and enterings are down. Nothing about drunks, wild west, etc. If it happens, it's on a small enought scale to not make the news in those states.

FYI: There are 4 types of gun carry laws in America today. Constitutional Carry is found in 4 states (AK, AZ, NE, VT) and allows anyone who may legally own a gun to carry a gun. Shall Issue, found in 37 states allows permits to be obtained based on objective criteria such as background checks and training. May Issue involves a subjective requirement of showing need. Approval is often at the discretion of the examiner. You can be denied a permit on grounds you could sue for in other venues. May Issue is broken down into Permissive May Issue(likely to be approved) and Restrictive May Issue(difficult to be approved). MD is Restrictive. Lastly, two states(NJ, IL) plus D.C. completely deny the right to carry. A recent court ruling in MD could change MD into a Shall Issue state. But it is currently being appealed by our Attorney General.

I'm not sure that carrying guns was quite the solution I had hoped for. I sent an email to Kevin Kamenez(sp) maybe its time yo get our elected officials involved. Can we please shift away from carrying guns and realistically address this issue?

Paul makes two very good points. However, I would like to add the following. I'm a
proponent of the U.S. Constitution.......particularly the 2nd. Amendment.

It's been my experience that you meet the nicest, most polite people at gun ranges.
Why, because everyone is armed. Pretty simple. How many times have you heard of someone getting murdered at a GUN RANGE ????
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Statistics show that states with good concealed carry laws DO NOT turn into the Wild West. Quite the contrary, crime goes down. BTW, you don't give a CC permit to every Tom, Dick, and Harry. These permits require EXTREMELY comprehensive background checks.

For those of you AGAINST the 2nd Amendment, let me remind you that.......
" When you outllaw guns, only outlaws will have guns ". Let that sink in for awhile. That's a world I don't want to live in.

One last thought. No matter what you've heard, President Barack Obama, in his own words has said, and I paraphrase, " I don't think ANYONE should own a gun "
Look it up people....do your homework .

Patricia, the Police really can't stop crime. All they can do is write a report AFTER the fact. Oh sure, we could post a police car at all banks and shopping centers 24/7....but that's not realistic. And yes, when given the facts , the Police can MAYBE catch the Perp. In Balto. County, they frequently do catch them. But again, after the fact.

You sent the e-mail to the wrong person...he can't do anything. You need to send a letter to President Barack Obama. Tell him to get the economy and jobs moving which he can't...or won't do.

Sooo, that brings us back to your responsibility to protect yourself AND your family.
So tell me, Howyougonnadothat...in Bodymore, Murderland ??

Paul, apples and oranges.

White Marsh Mall should institue a 6:pm curfew on everyone under 17 years of age unless their accompanied by and adult for 2 reasons.

1. It is not safe for young kids to be at White Marsh Mall alone anymore.

2. even if the young kids don't do armed robbery, they are involved in other crimes like fighting, ect ect.

3. That way my wife and I can start going back to White Marsh Mall and spend some money

Is White Marsh Mall waiting for someone to be killed, like at Towson Towne Center, before they control the crime?

You need to teach your kids how to be robbed safely. It is a basic survival skill in this world of haves and have nots.

You people should wise up and listen to JCG, this society has come down to carry and protect yourself or become a statistic. And if you watch the news lately, while people are being beaten, shot, etc., you are being video taped. Wow.

I agree with Ed. It's time for people to stop allowing these thugs take over everything we all have worked hard for.
If you agree with conceal carry, write to our legislators and tell them so. I did and I still do. I even told them about this discussion.

You can get a carry permit from Flordia which is recognized in 17 states. you also may purchase a gun in Maryland after a background check then you own it. To protect your self and home, you DO need Gun Safety Classes and qualify and practice to be accurate and safe handling fire arms. Although you may not have a ' Carry permit ' you could have a gun hidden on your person. Your choice is ARE YOU GOING TO BE A VICTIM OR A SURVIVOR. Prudence and good reasoning should dictate. You also need to weigh the results of shooting someone and should you take that step be prepared to spend your life savings to stay out of jail. Probably the Best idea is to apply pressure to the Balto. County Police right next to the Mall and the Baltimore County legislators and the Honarable Kathy Klausmeier " They are supposed to work for Us " or did everyone forget why Elected Officials are really here not just to Tax and Spend someone elses money. The Squeaky Wheel Gets the Most OIL!

To Paul, It happens at golf courses, remember the judge years ago, robbed at a golf course in the city. Also to Paul, Vigilante? Did you see the recently released pics of the "vigilante's" eyes, nose and back of head. Looks like he was attacked to me by a thug. Oh, and the thug had drugs in his system. To Murph, thanks, will check out the web site.

I would not attack a manwith a gun id run for cover and call the police, Im open minded to the possibilty he didnt have time have time to, however, I sure would'nt be on top fo the guy beating his head in toi the street with out grabbing his gun first. unless ( columbo) he go the suprise of his life ,,,,,,,,,,,, The guy he was attacking was armed and he did not know it ?

Paul is right, none of us will ever know what really happened that night.
Just let it go. I don't argue about things unless there are actual facts presented.
Just commented on Paul's comment from a while back.

to say he was out looking for trouble is mere speculation,his capacity was in its nature to watch out for crime or suspicious activity............. he saw a man covering his face walking down the street,,,,,,,,,,no crime there.but it drew his attention............assumingly he accosted the individual..........but to say hewas lookng for trouble doesnt apply ,,,,,,,,,, he looking for trouble makers , thats his capacity,,,,,,,,,,,, did he act too agressively and provke the individual ?could be ?
but theres no reason to believe he purposely set out to kill or even shoot any one for that matter.........lots of unkowns,,,,,,,,,,,,,but thats. the back ground we are given,,,,,,,, he,, stood his ground while being pummeled.,,,,,,,,,,,, self defense

granted its wrong to speculate before the trial,,,,,,,,,, so dont,,,,,,,,,,,,,, iuse the info that we do already have ,,,,,,,,,,,,, the blood on the back of the head, the broken those,
how many eye witnessess saw the deasced on top of the defendant? thatds damaging to the prosecution,,,,whats that well known lawers name Gershwiht or sorme thing like that? he was quoted as saying oit was a weak case and much the DA has erronesly over charged ( course they alawys do thas right ?)

District Attorneys and State's Attorneys always over charge as a way to bargain to get a conviction. It's the same as selling something, you ask a high price so you'll have some bargaining room. It's not unethical although it does appear that way; it is a scare tactic to get the defense to work out some sort of a compromise with the suspect.
I learned about that while serving on the Baltimore City Grand Jury.

Just a tip...this is off topic but may be important to those concerned about the PerryHall Kingsville break ins. On Saturday afternoon there was a suspicious white work truck cruising my neighborhood. Since there are only about 20 houses in my old Kingsville neighborhood, i knew the truck did not belong.
Also, it had Virginia tags. i reported it to the police and they sent a cruiser out to check. obviously the truck was already gone, but I felt a bit better.
Here is the discription incase anyone is interested. White Ford F150 late 90's early 2000's model. Had a wooden frame in the bed of the truck, with an extension ladder on top of yard waste. Virginia plates XKK6742. There were two Latino men driving.
Better to be safe then sorry.

Thanks ARG, my wife's cousin lives in Glen Burnie, she saw a similar, but not the same type of truck cruising her neighborhood couple weeks ago. Next day she found her 100 foot hose and reel missing from the side of her house.

as for the martin /zimmerman case............. Zimmer was I legal possession, how do you make the conclucion he as looking for trouble? the very essence of his capacity as to "police " the neighbor hood looking for out for " trouble makers ". there had been a few " break- ins" in that community..........so you think he just wiped out his gun and said halt or I'll shoot that guy didnt halt so he shot him ?
how did they wind up on the ground ? huh? wrestling for the gun ? explain the blood the back of his head and the broken nose, ( countless people were calling talk shows saying "I saw the video of Zimmerman laer that night and there as no blood on his head, and so called experts that say "if you get your nose broken you would have blood all down your shirt" how do you know he didnt !? ( from a video of hours later?) there are some no matter what evidence you showed them already had their minds made up ( the media showed pics of Martin whe he was 10 geeezz give me a brake!). and you know the news person was terminated for altering the 911 recording therby making zimmerman say he was black before he was asked the race instead of after he was asked " what race" did you see the news that Martin slapped a bus driver just a few days prior to that ? shows he was a violent person

dod you seewhat Martin;s handle on face book or tweeter was? he didnt deserve to die,,,,,,,,, but he sure sounded like he was a highly physically agressive young man, and he made the fatl mistake of jumping on a man and slamming him to the ground wh ever never knew had a gun............ the evidence is out Martin was shot from within a few inches,( 10 or so) witnesses saw martin on top,and then it was just after that he was shot ? I see an acquittal coming

Seriously? why is everything about Zimmerman/Martin? Maybe if the media hadnt blown it all up and inaccurately reported the event, things would be different.

Shouldnt we focus on what is going on in our own neighborhoods instead of butting in on things in other states? Tere is plenty of crime in Maryland to argue about.

ARG is profiling,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, oops! " There were two Latino men driving. "

could they have been greek ? just playing " devils advocate" thats all.
we know what they appear to look like and I thank you........... and that truck ought stand out

You are all getting so off track, see ya all when you get back to good ole' Perry Hall and Whitemarsh Mall, and what needs to be done to make them, (and the Avenue) safe to visit and shop.

Thanks Ed for trying to pull it back on topic, I tried a couple of times, but it went back to guns . I'm very interested in making the mall and avenue safer. Personally, I think that more adults should start frequenting the more on the weekends. Maybe the kids think that they have succeeded in making it their "Hang out" place.

jus let me take my glock with me when i go out.. thugs an thiefs wont get me.

So, we should surrender the mall? What's next? I'm gonna keep pushing back. Especially when it comes to the buses bringing trouble to the area.

trying to stop a tidal wave. too late . they are here.

Here is 5th District Baltimore County Councilman David Marks' email addresses if anyone wants to discuss this matter with him:
E-mail

council5@baltimorecountymd.gov

dmarks@baltimorecountymd.gov

I know earlier in this discussion Patricia asked who can she call to get something done. Maybe Councilman Marks can help.
Patrick

Where are all these parents, responsible guardians when these thugs are hanging around the malls, avenues, etc.. Make them, (parents) take the heat, pay the punishment, time / fines /restitution for what their brats do.

Besides the mile long rap sheet, nowadays their little darlins' are all being caught on store, parking lot, police and even their own friend's video cameras, that they are dumb enough to post.

UPDATE (May 31, 1 p.m.)—Baltimore County police have officially downgraded a report of an armed robbery outside White Marsh Mall from May 17. Investigators now believe the incident "did not occur," according to Lt. Ron Brooks of the White Marsh police precinct.

Futher details are available in the article, Police: Reported White Marsh Mall Armed Robbery 'Did Not Occur'-http://patch.com/A-tHjl.

My husband and I lived in Perry Hall / White Marsh area for 12 years. We too, saw the decline of Our once beloved neighborhood. When my husband retired from the Police Department after 31 years, that was it for us...we decided it was time to make the move to North Carolina. We got out just in time...if we would have stayed there any longer..We would have never been able to sell Our house for what it was worth! The apartments that surrounded Our House where attracting low income families from the city and thats when the trouble started. When they also put in that bus line..thats when I saw the decline of White Marsh Mall. It's really sad and unfortunate to see this happen to the Perry Hall area. As for concealed weapons....We never leave home without ! good luck to all of you. azureskye

AzureSkye, I envy you. I have lived in Parkville close to 40 years. I have seen a decrease in safety and an increase in crime in Parkville. I feel it is directly caused by the "move to opportunity" rent vouchers. These primary single female familes don't know how to co-exist in a responsible and law abiding neighborhood. I have seen loud fighting and profanity outside their homes, throwing trash on streets, and groups of these renters out after midnight still playing loud music. Where is the responsibilty!! My family will be leaving Maryland very soon. It is sad but the liberal politicians, crime and taxes are driving us to another state.

Parkvillehoney, I really feel for you and your family...We left for the very reasons you have listed. I agree with everything you have to say. No one is ever going to take a stand against all of the entitlements that are handed out to people who do not wish to work, allow their children to run the streets and act worse than an animal and they do not want to blend into a nice neighborhood....instead, they want to run it the way they want and people such as us...just have to put up with it ? We are so happy we made the move when we did...now we live in peace and not fear ! Best wishes to you and your family. Azureskye

All I have to say is , if your letting these teenagers scare you from going to the mall or movies at night, there gonna eventually take over the Perry hall area because the adults wanna be scared instead of being brave and standing up for there neighborhood. Then eventually it is gonnna end up empty and bad like eastpoint !!

so this partiuclar crime never happened,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, some one made it all up ? yup!

I want to be honest............ I made a bad statement ( if you scroll up) it was wrong to asume they perp was probably black I was going along with the person who commented before me.......... I for one have learned not to assume any thing thats wrong, its ignorant, its illogical and of course it shows prejudice , Hect we italians never liked it when we were always thought of as gangsters, In evey hollywood movie the bad guy always had an Italian last name........and all americans knew it was not so ,, so I say judge a person by their character not by their skin shade or ethnic background ( gee where have I heard that before? MLK )

suffice it to say bad people come from all races and good people do too