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Marks Takes Opposition to In-State Tuition for Illegal Immigrants On the Road

Councilman David Marks will go door-to-door Monday asking county residents to sign a petition opposing a bill that would give some illegal immigrants in-state tuition.

"I think too often citizens don't get a chance to vote on important issues," Marks said.

"I oppose this," Marks said. "I think it was overreaching by the state legislature.

The announcement of Marks' participation came on Facebook this weekend.

Marks will visit homes in the Loch Raven Village area less than a week after he and four other council members issued a letter of support for the petition drive.

The neighborhood was selected for pragmatic reasons, he said—it's densely packed with townhouses, and Marks plans on spending most of the day in Towson since it's close to work and on the way back to his Perry Hall home.

The Perry Hall Republican said he made the decision to take the petition into a neighborhood in his district before the council decided to issue the letter of support.

The members, a majority of the seven-member council, say the issue has future fiscal consequences for the county.

"I'm not going to be doing any more door-to-door [for the petition]," Marks said. "This is it."

 

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Carol Szaroleta

9:19 am on Monday, June 13, 2011

I am still confused by how the state can pass a bill like this when it is illegal for employers to hire illegal immigrants. If we are training our workforce, where will they work legally?

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Tim

9:26 am on Monday, June 13, 2011

Or better, the fact they are in our country illegally, taking jobs from our own citizens.

Kudos to Representative Marks on this stance. I fully support this.

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Mike Lurz

10:05 am on Monday, June 13, 2011

Thanks to David Marks for standing up on this, when most have quietly gone along. That is why you have my vote.

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Neversure

10:25 am on Monday, June 13, 2011

........and here I thought the referendum was to allow the voters to decide for themselves whether or not they support the Dream Act. Not to overturn it. More fuzzyspeak.

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Honest reporter

12:08 pm on Monday, June 13, 2011

When did Patch become a certain Councilman's personal news source? Patch has become the mouthpiece of the local republican party. I am greatly sadened by its transition from a news source to a right leading blog.

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Tim

1:11 pm on Monday, June 13, 2011

Blogs are blogs. Democrats can write them too.
Heck, Patch is owned by AOL/Huffington Post - a worthless liberal "virtual rag". There's a reason I don't contribute in a more 'official' capacity. I don't consider myself a Republican either. More along the lines of what's on Councilman Marks website: "Bipartisan, Independent Leadership."

Bottom line is, Marks is the Perry Hall rep. This is a story about him. Quit crying.

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K Blue

10:25 am on Tuesday, June 14, 2011

Here's another Democrat piece in Patch on an issue. I saw this article in Essex Patch today by Democrat Delegate Sonny Minnick. http://essex.patch.com/articles/put-the-maryland-dream-act-to-referendum.

Mark W.

12:28 pm on Monday, June 13, 2011

Maybe it is because David Marks is the most active and vocal member of the council. I think it has little to do with political leanings of Patch and more to do with who is involved and making a difference in the county. Shame on the other councilmembers for NOT taking the opportunity to reach out to their constituents via Patch.com. Keep up the good work Councilman Marks!

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Honest reporter

12:37 pm on Monday, June 13, 2011

I know the other councilman didn't do anything, but it's a state issue. How about reporting on where the state representatives stand on the issue and what they have done!

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Tim

1:09 pm on Monday, June 13, 2011

We live in the state, and our money is among other funds going towards the issue. The issue applies to schools in our county. The macro issue of illegal immigration, again, is an issue that concerns everyone.

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K Blue

1:21 pm on Monday, June 13, 2011

If I am not mistaken, all of the Baltimore County state legislators (with the exception of District 10) voted against the Dream Act. Councilman Marks' position appears to be in 100% accordance with the state legislators that represent their common constituents. As for your comments about Councilman Marks, this is Towson Patch so I don't find it unusual or suspect that they would cover him since he represents Towson. I suspect that if Patch had been around when Vince Gardina was still councilman, it would carry stories involving or by him as well.

johnny towson

4:23 pm on Monday, June 13, 2011

Patch simply reported the news. Marks has been doing what has long been desired; providing feedback and reaching out to constituents with common concerns and something to offer us, and not just when our money and votes are needed. It wouldn't be as news-worthy if other politicians followed suit and cared more about the people they represent. Lead by example Mr. Marks and let them take shots at you- you will survive at least and probably sleep a whole lot better.

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Rick

5:12 pm on Monday, June 13, 2011

It is important to know how the people that were voted in by us feel about certain issues. Patch is seen by many people in this area and is a great vehicle for spreading news.

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Mark Patro

8:32 am on Friday, June 17, 2011

If you want a more Liberal point of view read my opinions. I have asked several times now, where in American Law do we punish children for things their parents do. There is a deafening silence to this question. I get answers like "what part of 'Illegal' don't you understand?" and "they are adults now and can just go home." What I understand is the situation is here and we have to deal with it. But the loud out cry here is another diversion from the conversation that should be occurring. We should be talking about how we can move forward. We need to get people back to work. wee need to get the housing market going again. We only live the American Dream, all of us, when we are all working and money is moving from hand to hand. Instead we are focusing on a minor portion of our population and making them scape goats.

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Neversure

9:20 am on Friday, June 17, 2011

Well said, Mark. Hopefully, by the time this comes to referendum, cooler heads will prevail, and the voters will understand the entirety of this program. As it stands now, they are speaking out of fear and bigotry.
"What part of illegal" is the one that slays me. The US is the only home these kids have ever known. They were brought here by their parents who were escaping appalling conditions for the benefit of their children. There are lots of hoops for them to have to jump through in order to qualify. They aren't taking anything they aren't given the opportunity to earn.
There is room in this country for all of the good people who want to achieve. It is the American way.
Where is the outcry against corporate welfare, or the ever growing gulf between the incomes of the rich and the poor, the disappearence of the middle class?
I am a supporter of Councilman Marks, but am disappointed in him for his support of this petition, and I have told him that. When this idea was thrown out for discussion, somebody should have thrown it right back across the table. Putting it out for a vote is one thing, this is another altogether. It really was unnecessary.
Where were the democrats?

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Mark W.

10:38 am on Friday, June 17, 2011

No one is saying they CANNOT go to in-state schools, they just shouldn't receive TAX PAYER subsidized tuition. Why do you continue to belittle the problem of illegal immigration, it is not just a minor sector of the population. I am confident that this horrible legislation will come to referendum and the LEGAL, law abiding, tax PAYING voters of this state will overturn the dream act.

For the record, I think the US needs comprehensive immigration reform. I am not one of the people that thinks we should build a wall, or deport everyone. But we need to be able to let people work in this county while holding them accountable for paying taxes. A practical approach to work visas as well as encouraging people to be here legally would make a big difference. Right now, in MD we are an illegal immigrant safe haven, amnesty for all, liberal state.

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Mark Patro

10:54 am on Friday, June 17, 2011

To Mark W. I am not sure if you are are speaking to me or to Nevermore. But, my response would be that I am not belittling the issue of illegal Immigration. We need to regulate the number of folks who come here to keep this from becoming a less economically viable country. I am simply trying to put myself in the position of defending these children. (the children who will go on to college and take advantage of this benefit are less than 100 students.) I know you don't want to pay taxes to send other people's children to school. We suddenly live in a far more selfish world. I, by the way do not have children, but I still have to pay for your children to go to public school. I want to live in an educated society because that makes this world a better place in my humble opinion.

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Mark W.

11:34 am on Friday, June 17, 2011

Mark P. after you educate these "children" where are they going to be employed? Since they are still illegal they will not be able to get a legitimate job where they can use their education. Or maybe, they will reap the benefits of getting a first class education at the Univeristy of Maryland and take that education back HOME so that their community can benefit from OUR taxpayer subsidized tuition program. That seems even more practical.

You do not pay for my children to go to public school. I am sure you will call this selfish but I fully believe in and support school vouchers for families that send their children to private/parochial schools.

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Mark Patro

11:41 am on Friday, June 17, 2011

I have absolutely no connections to the three different countries my grandparents came from. You seem to fail to understand that if a child has lived here since he or she was two years old. THIS IS HOME. Whatever country he or she came from is as alien to to them as it is to you and me. And to the point about "OUR" tax money. I pay taxes here and i have one opinion and you pay taxes here and you have a different opinion. No to mention that their parents are living here paying taxes too.

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Mark W.

11:47 am on Friday, June 17, 2011

Oh just the contrary Mark P. Read the bill....FILING taxes is not the same as PAYING taxes. In fact, Casa De Maryland is urging people to "back file" so they they can take advantage of this Dream Act. Please read and understand the legislation before you are so quick to judge.

johnny towson

10:12 am on Friday, June 17, 2011

If the child of the illegal parents is an American, he or she can apply for in-state tuition, the parents can not nor should not be able to.

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Mark Patro

10:19 am on Friday, June 17, 2011

No one is suggesting the parent should be able to apply for instate tuition. The law does not say they should or would be eligible for in state tuition.

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Neversure

10:47 am on Friday, June 17, 2011

johnny towson's comment is exactly what my concern is. So many people are uninformed about the aspects of this legislation that it's embarassing.

Certain segments of the population are very busy stirring up the pot of bigotry and suspicion that the truth will have a hard time being told so that the citizens can make an educated decision.

It's just the same old run-on of "us" vs "them", and it's so unnecessary.

johnny towson

10:59 am on Friday, June 17, 2011

So your concern is for the children brought here illegally by their illegal parents? I will assume you are suggesting that we should not "punish" the illegal kids for something their parents did...

If illegal aliens bring their (non-US resident) children here with them, the children, presumably now adults or very near the legal age, should not be eligible for in-state tuition. It is not a difficult concept to understand.

There is no punishment just the lack of reward! Please rethink your entitlement mentality.

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Mark Patro

11:21 am on Friday, June 17, 2011

This is an attempt to educate the people in our state so that we have a stronger state. This is a COMMUNITY BENEFIT MENTALITY. It we keep our community developed we are all better off. It we can create ways to curtail or block the flow of illegal immigration then there will be fewer then no children to take advantage of this in state tuition. You seem to be saying that our elected officials will not be able to, or are uninterested in stemming the inward flow.

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Mark W.

11:44 am on Friday, June 17, 2011

@ Johnn Towson - well said.
@ Mark Patro - this bill has nothing to do with educating hoards of illegal immigrants it has to do with securing the Latino and Hispanic vote for the next 40 years. Our elected officials [democrats] do not care about the well being of illegal immigrants and their children they care about winning elections. SO that they can pass tax increases to support their out of touch legislation.

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Mark Patro

12:30 pm on Friday, June 17, 2011

Well, I disagree. I personally heard 3 Democratic Delegates talk about their votes against this legislation. THEY were the ones thinking about getting re-elected.

johnny towson

11:02 am on Friday, June 17, 2011

Neversure,

What aspect of the legislation do you suspect I am unaware of?

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johnny towson

11:42 am on Friday, June 17, 2011

Mr. Patro,

I very much am an advocate of a stronger community. Our communities are so terribly fragmented. I pray that we find common interests that draw us closer and not not contribute to the growing divide; the most common of which is our Americanism. To turn a blind eye to what it means to be an American, devalues our culture. We can still be compassionate, empathetic and charitable but we must do so with in the guidelines of both morality and law. We do not throw these children out or say you can not continue your pursuit of an American education. But we must, as Americans, all be willing to accept that we are not entitled to everything- life isnt fair. So if I move to Virginia during my son's senior year of HS, because he is accepted to their State University, and I/he am not awarded instate tuition, does that punish my son because of my "actions" of living in Maryland?

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Mark Patro

12:27 pm on Friday, June 17, 2011

Thank you for a thoughtful debate. Our Communities are terribly fragmented. We need to work on solutions. Americans seem to be in defense mode. It has become easier to raise our voices instead of calmly discuss ways forward. Instead of defending or working to defend the In State Tuition Act let me ask for your ideas on how to curtail the influx on Illegals. Why does Corporate America seem to defend this continued flow? Is it because illegals accept lower wages, therefore allowing them to keep more profit? This is also an American Capitalistic Idea. This is Americanism. The lower echelon (workers) do the back braking work and the higher echelon (the stock holders) reap the benefits. Like you say "Life is unfair." The chips fall where they may.

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Tim

12:46 pm on Friday, June 17, 2011

Americanism is fine - provided it's legal. Americanism doesn't need to support illegal activities. That's not American. Greed is not an American ideal. It's just another disease affecting the world.

Rick

12:43 pm on Friday, June 17, 2011

I am glad to see someone touch on what I feel is the bigger picture - elections. We are reminded time and again that the right/moral thing to do sometimes takes the backseat. In this case, it really has little to do with educating people. I think most people would agree on the importance of an educated society.

But does anyone think the governor had a choice but to sign this bill? If he had not supported it, he would have seriously hurt the Dem party by turning on many potential voters.

What is likely to happen is that the bill will be overturned by the voters, thereby passing the buck. Best of both worlds for the Dem party.

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johnny towson

12:46 pm on Friday, June 17, 2011

You have introduced a separate tentacle of the immigration and illegal alien debate with the reference to private enterprise and its ability to use illegal workers. In other comments you have posted, you caution the community about classifying groups of people; respectfully, please consider the same when referring to "Corporate America" and "Profit." Both are constructive and positive ideals and should not be cancers in "Americanism."

Many individuals, agencies, enterprises, industries and institutions have lost their "moral compass." American leadership and the honest/moral pursuit of the American Dream has become diluted. This did not occur in a single action but rather over a relatively condensed period of years of symbiotic actions and reactions- each furthering the potential for decay in American communities. To this, our solution must come from individuals dedicated to living their own moral life with responsibility and acceptance. One person, one family, one neighborhood, one business, one city at a time.

To the children of illegals, we citizens of America know you are here and we are not willing to give you in state tuition. It is wrong to do so. If you feel differently, you also have the opportunity to be heard. And being heard, implies nothing more.

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Mark Patro

1:20 pm on Friday, June 17, 2011

I am trying to be respectful with regard to diversity. I also do this with my view of Corporate America. I am by no means indicating a belief that all of Corporate America and profit are something to disparage. I myself own a small business and fully understand the need for, the motivations and benefits of making a profit. The first and most important is financial independence. This is a fantastic ideal that we should be teaching all our citizens. And elevate it to where immigrants also want to pursue it. If anyone reading that I define myself as a Liberal reads into that that I am anti –profit, he or she would be coming to an incorrect stereotypical conclusion. Tim is correct that greed and the use of illegal approaches are unethical, and therefore not truly an American Ideal. We must be as vigilant with these illegal activities as we should be about our liberty. My suggestions are to make entry more difficult and then absorb the children of illegals who are already here. I am not suggesting this would be permanent policy. And the conversation about passing this legislation to gain the Hispanic vote may be a truism, but it is also a distraction and intended to derail real solutions.

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