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Pit Bull Decision May Affect County Dog Parks

Councilman David Marks believes council will have to look at issue of aggressive dogs at the increasingly popular county amenity.

Following a recent Court of Appeals decision animals, one Baltimore County Councilman says the county may have to look at rules governing its dog parks.

Councilman David Marks said he believes he and his colleagues will eventually have to take up the issue of pit bulls or other aggressive dogs. One of those areas could be more stringent regulations on county dog parks.

"It's a good question," Marks said. "I don't see that there are a lot of standardized regulations to go along with these dog parks, which are becoming very popular in the county."

Marks was involved in working to get a . The Perry Hall Republican said he's also had requests for similar parks from the Loch Raven Village and Rodgers Forge communities.

The possibility of opening up another debate on breed specific legislation may not excite many on the council who remember the emotional debate that stemmed from then-Councilman Vince Gardina's attempts to regulate dogs that are determined to be aggressive.

In 2007, Gardina proposed legislation requiring that those dogs be muzzled in public and, when outside in a yard, be kept in a locked run that was covered. The proposed law came in the wake of a near fatal attack on Dominic Solesky.

Solesky, then 10, was nearly killed while playing in an alley near his Towson home, when a pit bull escaped from its yard and attacked him and friend. The dog ripped away a large portion of Solesky's thigh and severed his femoral artery.

The boy survived after undergoing five hours of surgery and 17 days in a pediatric care unit.

Gardina's bill did not pass.

The Court of Appeals decision last week was directly related to a lawsuit filed by the Solesky family against the owner of the dog and the landlord of the property where the owners lived.

Marks said efforts related to the dog parks might not focus specifically on a particular breed.

"It might not be pit bulls," Marks said. "It might be aggressive dogs in general."

Sweetie Pie June 4, 2012 at 05:56 pm
You were only lucky if it was pit-type dogs that stormed your border collie. Otherwise I recommend you read Semyonova's '100 Silliest Things People Say About Dogs'-- it'll help you understand how normal dogs do things. I can't tell you how much that book changed my life...
Sweetie Pie June 4, 2012 at 05:58 pm
Tony, this is why pit breeders have rape-racks. The mutant dogs are so aggressive that they can't even mate. When they get that excited, they just attack each other.
Sweetie Pie June 4, 2012 at 06:02 pm
Able, will you please leave the personal attacks out of it? Dogsbite org is a very reputable supplier of information, everything is checked and double-checked. Ditto AnimalPeopleNews. Every reputable scientist agrees that pit-bull type dogs are different. SPCAs aren't scientific organizations, and vets aren't behavior specialists.
Sweetie Pie June 4, 2012 at 06:08 pm
Able Baker 5:49 pm on Wednesday, May 9, 2012 "He conveniently leaves out a lot of facts..."
Able, you're lying again (consciously or not). Everywhere BSL had been introduced and enforced, it's been a huge success. Dog bite related fatalities drop dramatically (in Denver now zero for twenty years already), and -- you should care about this since you love pits -- euthanization of pit-bulls no one wants also drops dramatically. The only places BSL fails are places that give in to the kennel clubs, thus write the laws to exclude so-called 'American Staff terriers'. These are original pit bulls, no less than the APBT is. So if you allow half the FACTUAL pits to stay on the streets, then because of this loophole every pit owner suddenly has a 'Staffie'-- well, yeah, BSL will fail. This was the problem in the UK and the Netherlands, but ya know despite this, DBRF stats did drop -- just not as much as when all pits had been banned.
Sweetie Pie June 4, 2012 at 06:16 pm
Able Baker 6:01 pm on Wednesday, May 9, 2012 : "Dogsbite is run by a fanatic that has no training in science, animal care, law..."
Dogsbite so happens to be an authoritative and reliable source. Given the way you phrase your criticism, I'd like to know what scientific training, animal care experience (beyond owning your pit), law training, and other things you possess. Colleen's largest supporters include (among many others) a number of well-known authorities on animal behavior, genetics, and the behavior of the domestic dog in particular. Shouting 'she'nobody!' is kind of a weak way of trying to win your point...
Sweetie Pie June 4, 2012 at 06:22 pm
Able Baker 5:54 pm on Wednesday, May 9, 2012 "Not really. Pit bulls are relatively small dogs (60 lbs or less). There's plenty of large dogs that could much more easily overpower their owner."
Gads, this is getting ridiculous. Now comes Able, who will likely appear in all kinds of comments sections to tell us: The mauling / killing pit bull you just reported can't possibly really be a pit bull because it weighed more than 60 lbs. So it must have been a Labrador (etc, blah-blah). I guess Able lives inside his living room behind his pc, is unaware of what's going on out here in the real world. Pits bred up to weigh as much as 125 lbs. So-called AmBulls that weigh even more (and pit-derivatives all the same). It's looking like most of the pit lobby is like this...
Sweetie Pie June 4, 2012 at 06:23 pm
Hear, hear Tony!
Buck Harmon June 4, 2012 at 09:35 pm
Same rules apply to all dog owners, or no rules at all.
Glad to see you on some sort of roll here today SweetPie, but you are rollin in the wrong direction again...bad law is bad law, I am not a pit bull proponent, but rather adamant about the creation of bad law by elected public servants. The stats provided on this blog are only as accurate as the person that created them. Pit Bulls are lovely animals and if you fear them you would fear other large breed dogs as well.....same rules for all...it's the only fair thing to do.
Buck Harmon June 4, 2012 at 09:39 pm
Sounds like your inner Bull pitting SweetPie...
Able Baker June 4, 2012 at 10:09 pm
If your dog is as gentle as you say, then you should have no problem with it meeting the same standard as a pit bull.
Able Baker June 4, 2012 at 10:14 pm
Reputable scientists *don't* agree. Please show me where they do. Vet organizations don't support breed specific legislation. Why should we take the word of someone who has no scientific or animal related training and whose only qualification appears to be that she was once bitten by a dog?
Able Baker June 4, 2012 at 10:21 pm
Apparently it worked so well in the Netherlands that they're repealing it. You're employing the No True Scotsman fallacy. If Breed Specific Legislation fails, it's because it's not really Breed Specific Legislation, of course, not because BSL is fundamentally flawed.
http://dogtrainingireland.ie/blog/2008/08/03/netherlands-remove-their-ban-on-pit-bulls/ "On Monday the 9th of June Gerda Verburg the Dutch Minister of Agriculture lifted the ban on Pit Bulls in the Netherlands. The law had been in place for 15 years. The main reason for the lift was because it was found to be ineffective." Dog bite related fatalities are zero PRETTY MUCH EVERYWHERE, because dog bite related fatalities are EXTREMELY RARE. More people are killed by lightning than dogs.
Able Baker June 4, 2012 at 10:23 pm
Says who? Says another anti-pitbull fanatic? She has a clear agenda, uses bad science and has no formal training in any animal-related field. Who are these "dog experts" that support her?
Able Baker June 4, 2012 at 10:33 pm
American Pit Bull Terrier is a pretty well defined breed, like it or not. Check the UKC for the breed standard. Pits are relatively small dogs, not the big hulking brute you've created in your own mind. If someone told me they were bitten by a 200 lb Laborador, I wouldn't believe them either.
AmBulls stands for AMerican BULLdog. They top out about 120 lbs. (again, check the breed standard) American Bulldogs are not pitbulls. Have people crossbred other dogs with things like Mastiffs and Rottweillers to get bigger dogs, sure. But at some point you can't call a mastiff-sized dog (which top out around 200 lbs) a pitbull (which top out around 60). I'm not really sure where the anti-pitbull fervor comes from. Most likely from an unfulfilling home life. Gotta have something to get your blood pumping, I guess.
Able Baker June 4, 2012 at 10:36 pm
Of course not. Journalists would never sensationalize a story to sell more papers/get better ratings.
Resent it all you want. I'm not saying he doesn't have a right to sue, I just question the objectivity of people who make their money from suing people. Why wouldn't personal injury attorneys support this ruling? It opens up a whole new class of people with lots of money to sue.
Tony Solesky June 4, 2012 at 11:08 pm
It really all goes back to fundamentals no dog breeds exist in nature they are all a product of first selective breeding or as we know it intervening in the dogs natural instincts to mate to any canine and discriminating what it mates to, to preserve behavioral traits and physical conformation. If this breed did not exist and someone cited all of the problems associated to it who could say it would be fundamentally sound to create it now. Why would we preserve these characteristics in light of all of the problems from the abuse they suffer to the damage they reek on other animals and humans alike?
The actuarial facts are there are about 180 or so recognized breeds and only about 12 maul and kill and even among 7 of those breeds it is rare. Use your own head how can the American temperament test be of any value when it shows Pit Bulls score higher then Golden Retrievers even thought there is not now or has there ever been any on going mauling problem with Golden’s not to mention 148 other breeds. Any dog can bite but these are maulers so there is a specific problem the general topic of bites can not address. No science just actualities you know money where your mouth is stuff. Having a great Pit Bull like my sisters is the norm for all other dogs which tell you something in itself about this breed.
Tony Solesky June 4, 2012 at 11:09 pm
Not to mention individual personal experience with a nice Pit Bull has no more value in Public safety then someone making it safely to day care without putting their child in a child’s car safety seat. It may happen often but it doesn’t make it sensible.
As a charter boat captain I can tell you the water is inherently dangerous and PFD life vest are to be worn for everyone not just people who can’t swim. Pit Bulls are a menace on the overall well being of the dog population who does not possesses biddableness as a standout behavior but rather normal dog behavior.
Sweetie Pie June 5, 2012 at 01:34 pm
So there's Buck stamping his feet 'same rules for all or no rules at all!'
I have no idea how old this Buck is, but he seems to have missed the point about juvenile male drivers of cars. Ah, I'm wrong! Buck got the point...but he's a socialist. He thinks all of us should pay for the statistically factual greater damage young male drivers cause. He's totally against people paying the price for their own choices and behavior. Gads, sorry Buck! How long ago did you join the Socialist Party? And [SMILE] did you pay your dues, or did someone else pay them for you?
Buck Harmon June 5, 2012 at 08:59 pm
Glad to see that you agree with me sweet pie, same rules apply to all...
I'll take your last comment here as surrender rather than call you a silly name or something. When you result to label or name calling your argument is lost...you no longer exist...
Able Baker June 6, 2012 at 02:40 am
Golden Retrievers don't do what now?
http://articles.nydailynews.com/2012-04-22/news/31383925_1_police-officers-pooch-beautiful-dog
Tony Solesky June 6, 2012 at 02:51 am
Abe thank you for making my point A) it is not a full blood Golden b) when the final police report comes out it will likely prove to be a mix with a Pit Bull and c this is not an indication of an ongoing problem with first and for most full blooded Golden R which is what the temperamnet test says it is comparing full blood Pit Bulls to. again it was Pit Bull advocates who said Pit Bulls do better so we have to assume that you and some how other they the ability to identify what a Pit Bull is and apparently you can identiy or belive that althought no one can identify a Pit Bull they can correctly say it is a Golden. Can't wait for the hearing in Annapolis when you all are under real leagal scrunity.
Tony Solesky June 6, 2012 at 03:58 am
Average wieght of a Pit Bull 35 to 45 lbs. Golden 65 to 75 yellow lag 80 lbs or better. most common lie dog owners of mixed pits tell my dog is a lab mix. Now who is relying on the media. In Maryland Court of Appeals 15 cases reviewed since 1998 by reports from accreditied Police investigations any dog can bite but in Maryland they didnt have any dog all were Pit Bulls and now that the delgates and senators are doing research some tough questions are going to be asked? I for one am looking forward to it. I hope they are going to realize regardless of breed one free bite is a as stupid as one free car accident I think all agree on that. Likely they will make all dog owners liable for any dog and or breed that bites. That said they can't just turn their back on what has come to light before the court as it pertains to Pit Bulls who have at least in Maryland singled themselves out above all of the other any dog can bit arguements.
Sweetie Pie June 6, 2012 at 04:45 am
Dear Buck, you're having problems with reading comprehension. I didn't say I was a socialist -- I do think both juvenile male drivers and pit bull owners should themselves pay the costs of the extra risks they represent (the p-b owners by completely voluntary consumer choice, whereas a young boy can't help it that his brain hasn't matured yet).
'Socialist' isn't pejorative, though apparently you think it is. And since you think it is, I'm surprised you would want the costs of your own choices to be paid by others. It's one of those things you can't have both ways. Either you pay for your own choices, or you think others should be compelled to contribute. If you think others should be compelled to contribute to paying for what you choose, well, that's socialist. If you think others should pay for your choices, but you think socialist is a dirty word, so you shouldn't have to reciprocate by paying for what they choose, I don't know what the word for that is. Narcissistic, maybe? Egocentric? You do realize this whole discussion is because pit bull owners are utterly indignant at the idea of having to insure themselves? That they apparently feel tax payers and victims' families should bear all the costs of the catastrophic injuries their pit bulls inflict? Okay, maybe it's not socialist. Maybe it's just third-generation welfare recipient mentality -- others pay my way or else I stamp my feet!
Buck Harmon June 6, 2012 at 01:48 pm
No sweetpie, You don't seem to get it, I could care less about the details of insurance or associated costs, they are greed driven corporate entities that thrive on dumb law that is perceived to protect the public. I believe that the real problems need to be addressed at the cause of the problem, city~ county puppy mill breeding operations that seem to be profitable. The insurance racket is just that....worse than the mill breeders in my opinion. The socialist mentality would force people into compliance by making it mandatory to purchase anything...
Once again ...I accept your surrender on this topic...
Able Baker June 6, 2012 at 04:12 pm
KKK dogs. Good lord, now I know you're unhinged.
Able Baker June 6, 2012 at 04:17 pm
Golden Retriever - Laborador mix, which you would know if you read the article. The point is that your "safe" dog isn't safe. Just like there are bad pit bulls, there are bad Goldens.
Able Baker June 6, 2012 at 04:23 pm
I'm having trouble making sense of what you're writing. No wonder you have to give away your book for free.
1. What is an "accredited police investigation"? How does that differ from a routine police investigation? 2. They looked into 15 dog bite cases, of which all were pit bulls. Are you making the claim that there have only been 15 dog bite cases since 1998 and all of them were pit bulls? Or were 15 chosen at random and all happened to be pit bulls? Or did they just select pit bull bite cases? 3. Agreed. Dog owners, regardless of breed, should be responsible for the actions of their dog. At the risk of making the personal injury attorneys even more gleeful at the prospect of an ever greater number of people to sue, the standard needs to be equal for all dogs.
Able Baker June 6, 2012 at 04:31 pm
Again, there's no evidence to support this idea that pit bulls aren't "biddable". Terriers obey commands extremely well, and pit bulls, being part of the terrier group, are no exception to that.
Tony Solesky June 6, 2012 at 04:57 pm
You are correct I am a poor speller but I am otherwise quite articulate and very well versed on this issue. My e-book is free because it is a philanthropic pursuit. It has been professionally edited so you will have no problems.
No what I am referring to is the fact that unlike a normal snap and release dog bite that may be investigated by animal control Mauling deploy multiple agencies and the injury level gets a full blown police investigation. In the last 15 years the only cases serious to make it before the court have been Pit Bull cases. As a result the breed has singled itself out and the court could only rule on what was before it. This means simply that the agreed acknowledgment that any dog can bite has nothing to do with mauling and obviously in the last 15 years the association of Pit Bulls to them. These investigations lead to law suits which lead to very accurate insurance actuaries. Regardless of using that information as a bridge to insurance it still shows the monetary impact of these breeds against all others in Maryland. This alos means the tax payer foots the bill for all of the responding agencies and further if they don’t have medical or homeowners the tax payer picks up that tab also.
Tony Solesky June 6, 2012 at 05:03 pm
What do you mean no evidence? Terrier is an Italian word and the reason these dogs where outcrossed with Terriers has everything to do with both the style of attack and the fact that the AKC breed standard for Terriers tells you they are not tolerant of other animals. Are you saying that somehow if triggered to attack they change their breed instinct to adjust for humans? Ever heard of friendly fire??????????

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My sister-in-law actually played with my nephew too Tim. Unlike EVERY OTHER single parent that wasRead More there. However, you can't tie your child to you. They came there to play. Bullies move very quick. When my nephew fell and was visibily scared, not a single parent except for one even noticed. Nobody from the library was in site. You are right that if parents were required to pay attention to their children then there would not be an opportunities for bullies because the parents of those bullies would be watching them also. When the group came from a religious school in Pikesville this is exactly what happened. All the parents stayed with their kids. All other parents, with little exception stayed in a waiting room talking amongst themselves paying little attention to their children. My nephew has been to all kinds of playgrounds and never been attacked by older kids before. Next time, if my nephew is attacked by an older child I will urge my brother to call the police and press charges against the parent. However, irreponsible Storyville need not worry -- won't be back there. Just wish our tax dollars weren't supporting this.
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