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Recordings: Accused Perry Hall Shooter Says He Intended More Victims, Was Not Bullied

A court hearing on Thursday included video and audio of 15-year-old Robert Gladden.

UPDATE (Feb. 8, 12:30 p.m.)—Adult charges will stand against the student accused of opening fire inside Perry Hall High School on the first day of school, Baltimore County Circuit Court Judge Robert Cahill, Jr. announced Friday morning.

Find more details in the article: Accused Perry Hall Student Shooter To Be Charged As Adult - http://patch.com/A-1Lkj

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Find a detailed account of the beginning of the juvenile waiver hearing for the accused Perry Hall High School student shooter here.

The twice-postponed juvenile waiver hearing for 15-year-old Robert Gladden Jr. continued into Thursday, as the prosecutor and defense attorney sparred over whether he should continue to be tried as an adult in the shooting inside Perry Hall High School's cafeteria on the first day of school. 

By the end of the proceedings, Baltimore County Circuit Court Judge Robert Cahill, Jr. announced that the hearing would resume on Feb. 8, further drawing out any conclusions on Gladden's charges. 

Gladden was initially charged as an adult with nine counts of first-degree attempted murder, among other charges, in the Aug. 27 incident that left special needs student Daniel Borowy seriously injured. If charged instead as a juvenile, Gladden could face significantly less jail time, a full release by age 21 and protection from media access to his criminal trial. 

While the Wednesday portion of the hearing focused on Gladden's troubled formative years and psychiatric evaluations, Thursday's proceedings included portions of video recordings of Gladden immediately after the shooting, and audio recordings of Gladden's phone calls from the Baltimore County Detention Center in recent months. 

The recordings, as presented by Baltimore County Assistant State's Attorney John Cox, focused on Gladden saying that he intended more shooting victims, that he was not a victim of bullying, felt little remorse for the shooting, and preferred being imprisoned with adults instead of children or teenagers. 

Lutherville defense attorney George Psoras frequently interrupted the recordings with strenuous objections—most of them overruled. Family members of Gladden were also visibly agitated and emotional as the recordings were played. 

Psoras argued that Gladden felt intimidated, was not mentally fit, and should not be held accountable for his statements in the recordings. He also argued that Cox's selections of recordings showed calculated "vignettes," rather than accurate depictions.

Gladden Claims He Intended More Victims, Was Not Bullied

Eric Dunton, a detective for Baltimore County police's violent crimes unit, testified about the accuracy of video and audio recordings of Gladden since the shooting. 

Cox, the prosecutor, showed video of Dunton interviewing Gladden just hours after his arrest. 

"About four months ago, I was thinking about committing suicide ... but I really wanted to get the point across, so I thought I might as well kill some other kids and then off myself," Gladden told Dunton in the video on the afternoon of Aug. 27, the day the shooting took place.

"I figured if I'm going to do it, I might as well do it a lot," Gladden said. "I had 21 bullets ... 20 bullets and the last one was for me." 

"I drank a little bit of vodka, but not too much ... I came out of the bathroom ... into the cafeteria ... I pulled [the gun] out from under my shirt, then pulled the trigger. Then a teacher came and pushed me up against the vending machine," Gladden said in the video. "I pulled it again just to see if they would let go."

"What if the teacher hadn't run over?" Dunton asked. 

Gladden answered, "I would have reloaded." He then described in detail how to reload the double-barrel shotgun that he had brought into school.

Dunton asked if Gladden knew how many people were killed in the 1999 shootings at Columbine High School. Gladden accurately answered 15, including the student shooters, but said the shooters were motivated because they had been bullied. 

"I wasn't bullied," Gladden said. 

"So you didn't have an agenda or a hit list ... so you just wanted to make a point on the first day of school?" Dunton asked. 

Gladden replied "yes."

In the video, Dunton asked why Gladden chose the cafeteria, to which Gladden replied, "There are a lot of people there." 

Gladden also said he thought about killing a teacher he especially disliked from ninth grade, but thought the execution would have been "too hard."

When Dunton asked Gladden if he felt any remorse, he replied, "not really."

When asked in the video if he could have done anything differently, Gladden said he would have taken one shot and then immediately used the second shot to kill himself. 

"I wanted to show that the world is a [expletive] up place," Gladden said. 

Cox also played multiple phone conversations from the detention center, between Gladden and others. In them, Gladden comments on news coverage of the Perry Hall shooting, whether he was bullied and the December shooting inside Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, CT. 

"People say I was bullied, that I have dyslexia. Kids don't even get picked on for having dyslexia ... I don't have dyslexia," Gladden said in a phone converation. "I picked on more kids than picked on me."

"In middle school, I had the entire school afraid of me ... at 4-foot-9 and I had the entire school afraid of me. I ruled that school. No one messed with me," he said. 

"That [expletive] me off, they keep saying I was bullied, and I wasn't bullied at all. They probably just made that [expletive] up ... I liked being an outcast. I was the one who made myself different," he said. 

A portion of a recorded call on Dec. 16, first played during the Wednesday portion of the hearing, included Gladden making reference to the Dec. 14 shooting inside Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, CT, that killed 20 children and six staff members. 

Gladden seemed to make a joke about how he wished he had gone to the school along with the shooter. "I wish I went too," he said in the phone call. Immediately afterward, Gladden's cousin reprimanded him for saying that in a recorded phone call. 

Gladden Claims He Prefers Prison With Adults, Not 'Little Kids' 

In other telephone conversations, Gladden went into detail about life at the detention center, and how he preferred being imprisoned with adults, rather than children or teenagers. 

"I'm going to tell them, I don't like being in the juvenile detention center ... if I go where all the little kids are, they're going to be immature and annoying," he said. 

"Here, one guy is 28, they're over 30 ... all really cool ... if I go to the juvenile, like they're all little kids," he said. 

"Honestly, I kind of like my cell buddy. He's really cool," he said. "We watch football when it's on, we read a lot."

"I've got protection in here because I'm so young ... like no one messes with me," he said. 

During another conversation, Gladden talks about how his attorney told him to act like a "really whiny kid" so the case workers would think he was better suited to being tried as a juvenile. 

Psoras objected when this portion was played, saying that it violated lawyer-client privilege. The judge sustained that objection and Cox stopped playing that particular conversation. 

Hearing To Continue Feb. 8, Trial's Beginning Uncertain

Gladden, wearing the same long hair that appears in his original booking photo—although no longer dyed black—made little movement during the Thursday portion of the hearing. 

A statement read at the beginning of Thursday's proceedings showed that he smuggled a paper clip out of the court room on Wednesday, which was taken from him when he returned to the detention center that evening. 

The judge announced that the hearing would continue on Feb. 8, so Psoras would have enough time to compile video or audio recordings supporting Gladden's defense. 

His criminal trial remains scheduled for Feb. 19, but will likely be delayed because of the extended hearing. If his charges are changed to juvenile, significant changes will also be made to his impending trial. 

Ashley February 01, 2013 at 03:21 PM
So, do you guys that thought he should be tried as a juvenile still think that in light of this new information?
Josette Fowlkes February 01, 2013 at 03:59 PM
Our kids are in so much danger. It has be bewildered. Its time for the courts to make a decision and move on with the trial. he took a paperclip back to the detention center, he clearly had plans for it. I'm glad someone found it. Its just a sad situation.
Mike February 01, 2013 at 05:00 PM
"I figured if I'm going to do it, I might as well do it a lot," "I would have reloaded." "I wanted to show that the world is a [expletive] up place," "I'm going to tell them, I don't like being in the juvenile detention center ... if I go where all the little kids are, they're going to be immature and annoying," If this kids comments aren't enough to charge him as an adult, and put him away for a long, LONG time, someone in the judicial system better get fired.
BobBaft February 01, 2013 at 05:04 PM
This F*ck needs to go to jail with the big boys....let's see how he fares with the rest of society's trash.
FIFA February 01, 2013 at 06:13 PM
Only one word. Punk.
franking February 01, 2013 at 06:20 PM
A lot of fat people eat salads. Doesn't mean salads make them fat.
A. White February 01, 2013 at 07:03 PM
Probably watching his cousin, uncle (father figure after his parents split) and aunt commit suicide. That and his dad leaving. I mean, seriously, how many red flags do you need?
Cheryl Parks-Weidley February 01, 2013 at 07:08 PM
He seems a very disturbed young man.I hope he gets the help he needs. May God help the authorities come to the best decision for him and society.
FIFA February 01, 2013 at 07:10 PM
We don't need the big Guy interfering here. The big Guy is always found in prison, this "kid" needs to stay locked up for a very long time.
Holton F. Brown February 01, 2013 at 07:13 PM
Well .. so much for the posters who "know the the boy" and the eye witness who sed the gun went off and wounded the victim as the teachers were grappling with him... I love the tapagewhere he's declaring no bullying and that he intended to shoot a lot mor pepole juvie prison ? forget it .. least he should get is long term lease at Clifton T. Perkins Home for the Criminally Wacko..
Jeanne February 01, 2013 at 08:37 PM
Stop wasting taxpayers money, lock him up and throw away the key. I had wished he would get help but he is beyond help.
Don Mattes February 01, 2013 at 09:43 PM
My tax money is paying for this guy to enjoy watching football on t.v. with his cell mate? That should be a priveledge you give up for committing a crime. You're in jail, pal - there should be no t.v. As far as his lawyer stating little Bobby meant no harm, an interesting fact that I haven't seen in print yet is the statement he made directly to a police officer where he said "I told all my friends to stay out of the cafeteria". No intention for doing harm? This guy knew exactly what he was doing.
Cheryl Parks-Weidley February 02, 2013 at 02:31 AM
Well, FIFA, I disagree. While I understand that many criminals conveniently "find God" as a means to leave prison or get more privileges, my comment was and is essentially a prayer for all concerned. No offense to you but, whatever the the "Big Guy" decides on the issue: it's up to Him.
Holton F. Brown February 02, 2013 at 02:39 AM
As a Maryland judge once sed of a prisoner who in court for sentencing sed that he "had found God and was a born again Christian!" .. the judge, before he passed sentenced noted: Sir, I have found over my many years that as an occupational group, there are more born again christians in the prisoner category than any other group. With that in mind I here by sentence you to 25 years for armed robbery with a firearm. Go forth and gather in the penitentiary with your flock members."
Penelope Patch February 02, 2013 at 03:57 AM
Cold and calculating and pretty darn scary. It's very difficult to treat conduct disorder. Sounds like Clifton T. Perkins is exactly the place for him and no reduced time for "good behavior."
Holton F. Brown February 02, 2013 at 04:38 AM
He's a sociopath .. and there's only one cure for that .. terminal old age ..!!
Emily Kimball (Editor) February 02, 2013 at 05:19 AM
A comment from Sijan has been deleted for violating the site's terms of use regarding profanity - http://perryhall.patch.com/terms
julie hummel morris February 02, 2013 at 07:36 AM
Amen...he is a pathetic soul who needs punishment!
Kongo February 02, 2013 at 12:29 PM
The best thing for poor, misunderstood little Bobby might be a nice dirt nap.
FIFA February 02, 2013 at 01:14 PM
Cheryl, perhaps on another thread we can have an interesting discussion about whether your god decides every issue like this. Suffice it to say, he would be very busy. I understand your need/desire/wish and right to pray and my rights not to do so. Have a nice weekend. Go Ravens!
1ke February 02, 2013 at 01:37 PM
"...terminal old age" sounds a lot like the human condition.
Buck Harmon February 02, 2013 at 02:42 PM
FIFA describes him/herself here..^
Cheryl Parks-Weidley February 02, 2013 at 03:03 PM
Of course, FIFA, and perhaps another thread will show up. Meanwhile- indeed, have a great weekend and I've offered up my hopes for the Ravens!
brandon skipper February 03, 2013 at 03:53 AM
You guys also don't know that every adult figure he could ever look up to, blew their head off. Do an interview with his dad about boberts adult figures. You'll learn some shit.
Holton F. Brown February 03, 2013 at 04:40 AM
I think you could have conveyed the thought here without the profanitry at the end.. also this train of thought could be detrimental to gun rights advocates.. yeah, right .. guns and adult figures as things to revere..
Holton F. Brown February 03, 2013 at 04:42 AM
and that reminds me .. why has there been so little attention on daddy's arrest ???
Perry February 05, 2013 at 03:43 PM
Yes. Most sane people( liberals are excluded- they are neither sane nor rational) in the world realize that for whatever reason, some people turn out like this. They are incorrigible. They will never amount to anything. They are a drain on society and very dangerous. If it means incarcerating 10% of the population forever so the rest of us can remain free and safe, so be it. Stop looking for answerw. Sometimes there are none.
kevin culler February 08, 2013 at 01:26 PM
Its "said" Holton...not "sed". My god.
Emily Kimball (Editor) February 08, 2013 at 07:02 PM
UPDATE (Feb. 8, 12:30 p.m.)—Adult charges will stand against the student accused of opening fire inside Perry Hall High School on the first day of school, Baltimore County Circuit Court Judge Robert Cahill, Jr. announced Friday morning. Find more details in the article: Accused Perry Hall Student Shooter To Be Charged As Adult - http://patch.com/A-1Lkj
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