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After Arrest, Complaints, Avenue Revises Teen Curfew

The new policy requires adult supervision of anyone under 17 in all areas of the White Marsh shopping center after 9 p.m.

is tightening security measures involving teenagers, shopping center management announced Monday. The statement was released 10 days after a that led to the arrest of a 14-year-old girl.

Made effective on Dec. 2, The Avenue now requires anyone under 17 to be accompanied by a parent or guardian 21 years of age or older after 9 p.m., according to the statement.

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The previous "Youth Escort Policy," instituted in 2005, required that "children" be accompanied by a parent or guardian in the common areas of the shopping center, including the outdoor plazas, sidewalks and parking lots.

Youths were able to attend a movie or shop on their own and then meet up afterward with an adult to travel home. The new policy, however, requires "adult supervision in all areas of the shopping center after 9 p.m.," according to the statement. 

Adults are now required to purchase a movie ticket and "remain in direct supervision of anyone under 17 while attending movie screenings" after 9 p.m., according to the center website.

“As one of the most successful outdoor retail and entertainment centers in the region, The Avenue at White Marsh wants to lead the way in providing a welcome and safe environment for all of its visitors,”   Kathleen McLaren, the center's general manager, stated in the announcement. “This change is another proactive step in that direction.”

The has received several complaints about disturbances caused by groups of teenagers traveling from to The Avenue and crowding around the AMC Loews White Marsh 16 theaters, mainly on Saturday nights, precinct commanders said.

One of the most recent cases involved a group of teenagers who began fighting , Patch .

Officers attempted to break up the fight using pepper spray. K-9 and helicopter units also responded. One 14-year-old female student was arrested and charged as a juvenile with assault, a police report showed.

The full text of the new policy is available here.

How will the new policy impact you? Are you comfortable shopping at The Avenue when groups of teenagers are around? Tell us in the comments.

Other Tim December 6, 2011 at 02:22 am
I don't believe parents should drop their kids off at the Avenue, the Mall or anywhere else there is no supervision.
That being said, where is there for the kids to go to socialize? We are spending millions and millions on senior centers that are not even open in the evening. Wait! Just got a great idea! Open the senior centers on weekend nights for kids to go! (WILL NEVER HAPPEN!) For the record, I am 64 years old. I think most senior citizens today worry too much about themselves instead of being concerned about the youths of today who will one day take care of us and pay our social security and health care.
Rose December 6, 2011 at 01:23 pm
It all begins at home. Teach your children well.
Anna December 6, 2011 at 01:53 pm
I happened to be there that night with my husband, we had just come out from seeing a movie and it was pretty scary to see 6 police cars and a bunch of kids running your way. I just wanted to get out of there before being caught in between whatever was going down, we didn't stay around long enough to find out. It was kind of disappointing because we used to love going there to shop. They need to use the statement DO YOU KNOW WHERE YOUR CHILDREN ARE, but start it at 9:00 instead of 11:00. Maybe that will wake up some parents.
Gomer Pyle December 6, 2011 at 01:55 pm
The senior center idea sounds good except I don't think too many kids would be into playing bingo on a weekend night. :P
Better yet, they should make those kids who cause all of the trouble perform community service at the senior centers. You are right, it would be nice for the kids to have a safe place to go and hang out. The probelm is there is always going to be those few kids that cause trouble and ruin it for everyone else.
Paul December 6, 2011 at 02:29 pm
Kim,
Everyone is not being punished here. The punishment is directed at kids under 17 and their parents. Most kids have learned (been taught) how to behave like human beings and decent citizens by the time they are 17, but unfortunately, some of them have not learned this and never will. It is all well to punish the troublemakers, but continuing trouble that requires police intervention will drive the Avenue's biggest source of revenue (the adults) away and destroy what is now a pretty nice place. I applaud the management at the Avenue for taking a very strong stand.
Paul December 6, 2011 at 02:36 pm
Tim,
The problem youth of today that can't seem to behave and act like decent citizens and always need some new youth center to be built just for them will just become the problem adults of tomorrow. They have absolutely no interest in taking care of you or getting a job to contribute to social security!
Nancy McNelly December 6, 2011 at 02:48 pm
If the security guards put more emphasis on removing problematic citizens from the premises then they would not have to profile. There are plenty of bars at the Avenue where equally rowdy adults can get drunk and mess around.
I was in Barnes and Noble a few days ago. I am 17 and they told me to leave and said that the paper with these rules on it "actually meant to include kids age 17." This is not the way to keep crime out of The Avenue.
Sue December 6, 2011 at 03:40 pm
You are absolutely right Rose. The problem is that some parents are not involved in their children's lives and blame others for what happens to them. It's sad that we cannot enjoy a night out without having to worry about getting hurt or mugged but these are the times we live in.
Doug December 6, 2011 at 04:09 pm
If parents didn't use the malls and shopping centers as babysitters, there would be no need for any of this
Jay Addis December 6, 2011 at 04:21 pm
Maybe if Eastpoint Mall had done this, it wouldn't be empty now! Way to go White Marsh!
B December 6, 2011 at 11:30 pm
Unfortunatly know one is mentioning that MTA buses dropped off 2 full bus loads of teenagers on Honey Go Blvd. Not even at the bus stop out back of the Avenue. They were blocking Honey Go to where cars couldn't go by. After the mall closed more unruley kids came across to the Avenue. Now your talking several 100 unruley teenagers. Not all the teenagers are from this area. That's what needs to be addressed.
Other Tim December 7, 2011 at 01:25 am
Right. "Those people" should stay in their own neighborhood. No kids from Perry Hall, White Marsh or Kingsville would ever cause any trouble.
B December 7, 2011 at 01:34 am
CALM DOWN Tim.... Just saying what happened there that night. Try reading it again. I said not all the teenagers are from this area. Not saying teens from this area were'nt part of the problem too.
Doug December 7, 2011 at 01:42 am
When police call for help, everyone comes, Choppers, K-9, SWAT, who ever is working responds. A helicopter is the most effective tool, as it 1. lights up the area for saftey and visibility 2. Advises the police on the ground where to go 3. when the bad guys run, they can't run away from the chopper.
Paul December 8, 2011 at 06:11 pm
Bus loads of teenagers are coming out to the Avenue?! I guess this falls under the "no decent place left to hang out in our own neighborhood so lets go trash this place by White Marsh Mall."
Tim December 8, 2011 at 06:33 pm
I agree Rose, completely.
Most kids aren't inherently 'bad' or 'troublemakers'. More likely, victims of sub-par parenting.
Tim December 8, 2011 at 06:37 pm
Nancy: How would you go about determining who a problematic citizen is?
This isn't an attempt to argue - I just want you to expand your idea out for us.
Tim December 8, 2011 at 06:37 pm
Spot on, B.
Shutting down the bus line would definitely cut down on the 'problems'
Nancy McNelly December 8, 2011 at 06:39 pm
@Tim -- Whether or not they are causing a problem and have to leave? Just like any other building during any other time, if ANYONE regardless of age is being a nuisance to others in public then they should be asked to leave by the appropriate store security or the Avenue guards themselves.
I literally walked into Barnes and Noble and they told me to leave and then starting pretending to change the rules and that is by no means okay with me.
Tim December 8, 2011 at 06:51 pm
Nancy, the problem is at the point they cause problems it's too late.
Reactive "policing" (and let's be honest, these rent-a-cops barely qualify) has been in place for years and has effectively failed in assauging the animosity of the older shopper base (which, not coincidentally, tend to have more disposbale income). Expecting stores themselves to hire their own security is unrealistically expensive - and guess what? That expense gets passed on to you, the shopper. Why would businesses take this tack when they can simply agree to boot teenagers after X time. It's a double win in their view: Not only do they tend to spend less money, but they cause a disproprotionate amount of the problems as well. Especially at the movie theatre. I and I'd like to hope most adults here appreciate your dilemna being a 'behaved' teenager. It sucks. It's not like we're all jumping for joy at needing this type of draconian measure. Really, if it's me, first thing I'd do is shut down bus service to the mall after 7pm on weeknights( if it's not already), and 4pm on weekends. Let that sit in place for a few months and see what happens.
Rose December 8, 2011 at 07:04 pm
I think that Tim's sarcastic remarks are wasted here. Kind of like "youth is wasted on the young". At this time of year, you'll hear John Lennon's song played on the radio. As he says, "Merry, merry Christmas & a happy new year. Let's hope it's a good one without any fear." Fear is a terrible thing, even at the local mall.
Nancy McNelly December 8, 2011 at 07:16 pm
Tim, so then why is it acceptable to present the Avenue security, who you say isn't even worth it, with the capabilities to remove teenagers from the property? Not only are you dealing with issues on the subject of profiling, because at the age in question you are never required to have an ID on you, but you're also taking away time and energy that could be used walking around the entire property as opposed to stopping and preying on kids who are not causing a problem.
There's no reason to punish anyone until they do something wrong. If the fight that spurred all this was with adults, then there would be no need to start a policy like this one. Just like there are adults who can conduct themselves acceptably when they are drunk, there are kids, like me, who don't cause problems for the patrons of the Avenue, and it is very concerning that someone thinks this is a proper solution. The problem is clearly not kids younger than 17 or else the Avenue have been shut down already; they provide the majority of the business with the most recurring profit, I promise. The problem is violence and misbehavior on their property and if they want to take a "Zero Tolerance" policy then it just goes to show you that they honestly don't care about the entirety of their patrons.
Tim December 8, 2011 at 07:28 pm
1) Because teenagers cause the vast majority of the problems.
2) You seem to be forgetting this is a business decision being made, not an intentional persecution of teenagers. As such, see #1 3) Other less intrusive measures have been in place in the past, really going back to about the time you were 10. There's a good reason the restrictions are severe now.
Karen B December 12, 2011 at 03:12 am
This is just one more example why the damn developers around here do not need to build anymore homes, they need to build a teen center, so our teenagers have a safe place to go and have fun. Can anyone on here tell me where are kids really have to go and hang out. I blame our politicians, the developers and some parents who have raised their children to be animals and not mature human beings. I'll say it again, We need a teen center, with pool tables, air hockey, indoor and outdoor basketball courts, maybe even a pool. There are so many possibilities with a teen center. I for one would volunteer my time to go and oversee the kids. What do these people expect our kids to do. There is no where for them to go, so of course they are going to congregate at the mall and the avenue. Unless we make enough noise and complain enough about the situation and continue to bring up the idea of a teen center, they are going to continue to have problems. How many parents have the time to go buy there 16 yr old kid his ticket to the movies and sit outside while they are in there watching the movie, it's not fair to the parents who raised their children the right way, just because there's a few bad apples in the bunch, doesn't mean the whole bunch is bad. I've lived in Perry Hall for over 20 years now and I have heard a million times about a new high school being built and before you know it more new homes I AM PRO TEEN CENTER, whose with me?????
Al Carlson December 12, 2011 at 05:47 pm
I believe that the concept of the teen center mentioned here would be to serve teens in the Perry Hall area. I see two issues with this related to the thread above. 1) I do not believe that all of the teens detailed above are from Perry Hall and as a result, probably would not be interested in the teen center. That is not an indictment of the teens, where they are from or how they traveled to there area - it is simply a fact. I think common sense tells us that teens in Perry Hall are not going to load onto buses by the dozens to go to the Avenue. Geography, logistics and population statistics don't support this. 2) Teens go to the Avenue and similar facilities mainly because they are ARE NOT supervised. They can do whatever they would like. A teen center with supervision is not what they are looking for.
Karen B December 13, 2011 at 02:57 pm
Al I understand what you are saying, but I disagree as far as the kids wanting a teen center. I am a parent of a teen and I have talked to many of my sons friends and 95% of them said they wished they had somewhere to go hang out. I don't think they would be bothered by the supervision at all. That is just my opinion. Anything would be better than them hanging out at the mall and avenue. Parents would have to be involved and creative. Again this is just my opinion.
kate88 December 20, 2011 at 09:37 pm
I can remember being a teenager going to the mall and the avenue to hang out. I wasn’t allowed to go there unless we were going to see a movie or go shopping. I am now 23 years old and I hate going to the Mall / Avenue on a Friday/sat night. My parents raised me to say accuse me, pardon me, please, thank you, your welcome, and I’m sorry. The teenagers that go there now just don’t care; most of them don’t have ANY manners, and don’t pay attention to who is around them. My niece is 4 and doesn’t need to be hearing F this and F that, or B this and B that. That is all you hear anymore and if you say excuse me please be more aware of the children. It’s sucking teeth; attitudes and B who do you think you are talking to. The things I have seen kids do just baffles me.
Nancy, One thing you have to remember about the bars is they have their own security. Bartenders and Waitress are also trained to cut people off before they get to the point of being belligerent drunk. I feel safer drinking at the avenue then I do at some of the other local bars that are around the area. The bars in the avenue haven’t been in the papers for fighting, stabbings, or gang violence. At least not to my knowledge anyways and the times I have gone there to drink. I have never seen a fight happen. Unfortunately for you the damage has been done by the kids who don’t care and aren’t responsible.
Paul W. Faya December 21, 2011 at 07:42 pm
Kim,
It is indeed unfortunate that management has to take this drastic action; but it is indeed necessary. I have heard people talk about being intimidated at both the Mall and the Avenue. Unfortunately many young people have not learned how to behave and have no respect for authority.
commish flock May 17, 2013 at 12:23 pm
fights are going to happen it's a natural law of humanity. I remember going to the mall when I was a teenager 15 years ago and it was the funnest thing in the world for me! where else could I go on a Friday night and try to find ur meet a girl without going Skateland or anything like that and I was way too young for a nightclub. I think its too much but at the same time it has to be taken into context is only those who are the troublemakers should be punished.
commish flock May 17, 2013 at 12:34 pm
I just saw the comment posted above me, I forgot to say that I am now 31 as of yesterday lol. when I went to the mall to hang out I was around the ages of 12 to 15, mostly in the Younger side and all gothic and everything. and that's what's sad I think people think if people are dressed up like with the black stuff and gothic, that they are violent and its very very much the opposite in most cases. for me and when I see: they're actually just Expressionists going through the same hormone driven change finding themselves, I think we assist despair and kill creativity that is misunderstood when we should be helping these kids find a place and way to be together safely WITHOUT our authority overbearing.... think of the new trust that could be maintained between the generation gap that is always cause trouble?!

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