Recently, there have been two of proposals to permanently limit the development potential of a series of properties in Perry Hall. Instead of these parcels potentially being available for dense residential or commercial redevelopment, they would be preserved as open space. These , put forward by , represent sound and sensible policy making.
I have been mystified to read some of the caustic comments posted to Perry Hall Patch in response to these announcements. It seems that some people happily defend the "right" of individual property-owners to have the potential for unlimited profit. Of course, these naysayers cloak this view with the notion that a down-zoning of specific properties somehow "devalues" the land, leaving the owner with a financial loss.
A look at the basics of real estate appraising dispels this misguided view. At the time that any property is up for purchase, its overall value is determined. This process looks at: the size and location of the parcel, the condition of any buildings on it, and yes, the current zoning classification. Thus, at the time of transfer, the seller is able to set a reasonable price (allowing for an appropriate rate of return), based on current market conditions. In this manner, someone who buys a house, sells it years later to a new resident owner, has their right to reasonable profit assured.
The real reason some folks disagree with the concept of downzoning is because it denies certain property owners the future possibility of winning the development lottery, so to speak. How many times in Perry Hall's history did an individual property owner sell their home or other holdings to a developer, for a price far in excess of their actual value (based on existing neighborhood conditions), knowing full well that their old property had a very different future in store.
In these cases, developers like this leveled the existing individual homes, and replaced them with large-scale, dense residential complexes, or sprawling strip malls. As a consequence, such land sales required vast sums of public money to be spent to fund the infrastructure necessary (schools, roads, public water) to support this . One need only to look at the principles upon which our nation was founded to see that individual profit potential must be balanced against the broader needs of the community at-large.
American democracy puts the social contract theory of government into practice. In 1762, philosopher Jean-Jacques Rousseau defined this theory as follows: "the right of any individual over his own estate is always subordinate to the right of the community over everything; for without this there would be neither strength in the social bond nor effective force in the exercise of sovereignty."
Founding Fathers like Jefferson and Madison designed America to embody this belief. By virtue of being Americans, we all surrender the possibility of unlimited, self-interested rights for a guarantee that our natural rights, "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness" (as defined in the Declaration of
Independence), are forever preserved. As a result, our elected leaders must balance the needs of the many versus the needs of the few, as they seek to promote the common good.
Tell us if you agree or disagree with open space designations in the comments.
We don't live in Philosophy 101. It's real world economics and balance, the type of moderation your uncle Al Redmer sought while President of the Perry Hall Improvement Association and state delegate. He dealt with an awful lot of development, and he tried his best, just as I have. That's all I'll say here.
You are not a fan of "Property Rights or Freedom", stop the tea party talk. You are a fan of becoming rich at all costs using no responsible decision making. Sounds like those mega-corporations that love bailouts at the tax payers cost. What the point is here, land owners need to think about the greater good of their neighbors, and community as a whole. Every new 5.5 = me paying for new roads, sidewalks, expanded police protection, sewage, and other infrastructure. I know I am responsible with my land and will preserve it permanently for the greater good of everyone.
Does open space classification needlessly devalue land, or does it provide a worthwhile community benefit? Tell us in the comments.
I don't know why I feel the need to answer all of your questions since you won't do the same for me, but what the hell...why not Yes I am aware of taxpayer funds that are spent on infrastructure...I also am aware that the development that was built was done so with the support and encouragement of the County Government... I am also aware that same space has been a great addition to the community, offering dining, retail, a grocery store, medical professionals, fitness facilities etc. along with a whole lot of new families that have made this a better community....As for the OVER-crowding in schools, well Perry Hall has been overcrowded for 20 years, maybe the Government should be more concerned with building new schools instead of limiting individual property rights. I know it is expensive and is not a simple process, but we've all known this has been a problem for decades, it didn't just sneak up on us...NOT TO FORGET, that the County's zoning laws ALLOWED this construction by zoning it at such a high density....hmmm, almost seems like the Government encouraged that development. to be continued...
your suggestion that i'm about getting rich at all costs and likening me to "mega-corporations" is again just plain stupid and wrong...If I was all about getting rich at any cost, I don't think that I would be doing what I do, I know for a fact I will never get rich as a public servant, yet I proudly do it because I love to help people...as for the taxpayer bailouts that you link me too...I was against them with ever ounce of my being...so like always, WRONG AGAIN What the real point IS Ronn, is that private property owners have rights...as with most rights in this country, those rights are held by the individual... The wants or wishes of the community DO NOT override the individual's right to their property... If in your seemingly "Communist" utopia, you want to infringe on an individuals right to their property for the GREATER COMMON GOOD, you best be prepared to step up and reimburse that individual for their loss, otherwise it is theft, or a tyranny of the Majority, or just an over-powering government...
"subsidizing" Verb: Support (an organization or activity) financially. Pay part of the cost of producing (something) to reduce prices for the buyer. Oil Companies get subsidies...to lower the cost of fuel, to invest in expansion of production etc... What we are talking about here, and what I'm arguing for, is NOT a "Subsidy" The owners of this property have a LEGAL right to the ownership and use of this property, in that they also hold developmental rights in that property... The Property has an intrinsic value value, based on it's highest and best use. If you, or anyone is going to rob the owner of their developmental rights, and therefore the value of their property, you should COMPENSATE (not a subsidy) them for that loss...kinda like when government takes private property for "Public Use" the owners are COMPENSATED... next post will discuss this "Balance" that you claim to be searching for....I'll show you where to find it
anyway let's move on to solutions and balanced approaches...
To me everything begins with the Individual Rights & Individual Freedoms that this nation was founded upon...I have read a whole lot of history and documents, and I never recall seeing anything written about "Community rights to someone else private property" or "Community Rights to open spaces" I'm just saying So that's where I come from...That's MY foundation, so on to problem solving and finding a compromise...The Problem is Balancing Individual Property Rights with Community Wants and Desires... and to me there are 3 options; 2 extremes and 1 balanced compromise....
This option would be to protect and preserve the rights of individuals...now some would argue for UNLIMITED RIGHTS TO PROPERTY, which I think is how you are trying to frame MY stance...in a world like that, we would have no zoning laws at all, and I do not argue for that...my argument is a balanced approach....but this argument would say that people can do whatever they want with their property but they would be responsible financially for all of their land use decisions, including roads, water and sewer lines etc...in this option there would be no zoning rules and people could build whatever, wherever...Residential, commercial, industrial whatever... I do not support this option
This option seems to be what you and your vocal supporters on Patch seem to be arguing for... We all have a right to OWN property, but it's use is limited to us by the "Greater Common Good" in this world we are limited to our properties use by what the community wants and desires...again I have no contention with smart zoning and and basic community planning... but what your argument says to me is that property ownership only means that you hold the deed, but the community controls the use...in this option, we really have no property Rights as related to it's use, all we have is the right to own it... this is an argument that runs afoul to our laws and Constitution, in my opinion, and I won't go into great detail about it because I think I already have in previous posts...so let's move on to the balanced solution
This Option protects the individuals constitutionally protected right to private property while recognizing the public's interest in how land is used. This approach also insures that the government's regulation of land use does not constitute an uncompensated "taking" of private land. Land use plans and zoning ordinances are already in place...and they seem to be working fine, but now we have the Community that wishes to impose their will on private property owners... I suggest, as I have stated numerous times, that if the communities desires or plans collide with the current zoning laws and land use plans, and is against the will of the property owner...and that if those community desires would result in lost economic value to the property owners, which they certainly would, that the Land owner should be justly compensated for that loss. The economic value/security and/or the right to the use of your property are the MOST important characteristics of land ownership. Thus, compensating the land owner for the community imposed restriction of his/her property's use and/or value is the only way to minimize the infringement upon their private property rights Community and public interest's are already expressed in the land use plans and zoning regulations... if they community/public wish to further infringe upon land owners rights then they should be prepared to compensate them for it....to be continued
you claim that this compensation approach is "unsustainable" and you may well be correct...however I would contend that your infringement upon individual property rights is unsustainable...used to be that private could only be taken for "public use" and that was acceptable...roads, highways, infrastructure etc..and that was all fine and dandy, and lawful...then we started getting into Government taking property for "Public Benefit" which is not supported by the Constitution, and is much more vague, but nonetheless has become a popular tool to infringe upon property rights....now I see government taking private land and selling it to developers, I guess they claim that the increased revenue provided is of "Public Benefit" but come on now, this is getting way out of control... but throughout all of those instances, the property owners were compensated to some degree... but now Mr. Marks you propose to take away a property owners ALREADY RESTRICTED right to the use of their land, WITHOUT COMPENSATION? I'm not gonna get into a "slippery slope" argument here...but I Contend that YOUR policy is unsustainable...My suggestion is a very FAIR & BALANCE approach...balancing a property owner legitimate right to their property with the community's desires... to be continued
This approach is FAIR and balances Rights vs interests...it is a "Moderate" approach and though I have know clue if my uncle, Al Redmer, would agree with me, but I'm sure he would be very proud of me for voicing my opinion and for challenging something that I don't think is right...Uncle Al is a great man, thank you for bringing him up...he did A LOT of great things for this community, he didn't always toe the party line and he is an inspiration to me Mr Marks, I argue that your proposal is NOT FAIR and is only looking out for the interests of the community's desires and not the individuals rights...please stop labeling my argument as some kind of "Extreme" view...it is logical and fair, if you disagree please, by all means, explain to me and everyone else how I'm wrong
To solve the problem with infrastructure costs, I find it completely acceptable for land owners to be responsible financially for their land use decisions. If they want to develop, they should be responsible for the costs of roads, water and sewer line etc. maybe then they would be less likely to do so. Their development would then be less of a financial burden to the public
Also I would appreciate it if you don't resort to insulting individuals who have nothing to do with this topic and are not involved in the discussion... I'm not sure why Mr. Marks felt the need to bring up my uncle when he has nothing to do with this topic, but I am an individual with my own views and opinion and I can protect myself...Bart, I doubt you really know many details about the Hurricane Isabel issue, and honestly I don't either, but what I do know is that my uncle worked very hard, for a very long time, to try to help Maryland residents through the worst flood this state has ever seen, and I'm sure that it was no easy task. That being said, Councilman Marks, I think you owe my uncle an apology for dragging his name into this...