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County Eyes New Speed Camera Locations

Police chief says review of original 15 is complete and has recommended moving some devices to new school zones.

Some of the 15 speed cameras in Baltimore County school zones could be moved to new locations, according to county police Chief Jim Johnson.

Johnson, in an interview Wednesday, said a review of the original 15 cameras, installed just over a year ago, was recently completed.

"I've been looking at the current 15 camera sites and I'm making recommendations as to whether or not some of the cameras should be moved to other locations," Johnson said, adding that "there are a few sites that could be changed."

Johnson declined to say how many cameras could be moved as a result of what he called "a lengthy analysis."

The cameras issue $40 tickets to drivers caught exceeding the speed limit in school zones by more than 12 mph.

Johnson has previously told county officials that in changing the habits of speeding drivers.

A list of potential new sites has been sent to the administration for approval, Johnson said. He declined to say what school zones have been recommended.

In February, the County Council approved a law allowing the county to in school zones around the county. The original bill, passed in 2010, limited the county to just 15 speed cameras.

The county has, however, faced budgetary challenges because of the economic downturn. Earlier this year, county officials told members of the county's General Assembly delegation that it had , despite the change in the law.

CORRECTION: An earlier edition of this article incorrectly stated the speed that must be exceeded in order for the camera to issue a ticket.

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walker September 15, 2011 at 09:25 pm
first of saying your from dundalk explains alot. second there are speed cameras in baltimore city. have been for a long time.
Bill Howard September 15, 2011 at 10:06 pm
It is sad to see so many people willing to offer the government their privacy and freedom for a false sense of security and hidden revenue generation. These cameras will start with the schools (to sucker you in and desensitize you) and progress to Big Brother watching you everywhere. We already see it with Obama aparatchiks monitoring social networks. Even worse, the last healthcare law demands central government access to all your medical records. The IRS uses satelit images to monitor your affluence. New cars and cell phones are equipped with devices that allow the government to monitor you as well.
How much ELECTRONIC FACISM are you willing to submit to?
Selma Kahl September 16, 2011 at 02:29 pm
In this world it is not possible for a parent to make sure their child is safe at all times. The parent of the eleven year old is correct. So suppose we talk about disabled, or aged, or with child or just too many packages. These pedestrians should not have to be concerned with speeders that could snuff out their lives. I say I welcome the camaras.
Rob September 16, 2011 at 04:15 pm
Tim,
The answer is no because I haven't gotten a ticket of any kind in at least 10 years but I have to pay for these camera's. You just made my argument for me and you never answered the question. Why do you move the camera's if it's about safety? Shouldn't you be adding camera's if they are only for safety? Who cares if 99% of the camera's don't make a dollar if it's about safety? So to answer your question radar and speed camera's exists for one purpose - revenue. If it was about safety you don't move the camera because its not making any money, if it's not making money you should think that it's doing its job. If it was about safety there wouldn't be quota's for the cops to hand out tickets, there wouldn't be fines all you would need is a point system. You get pulled over and accumulate X amount of points you lose your license for X amount of months. Why is there always a dollar amount attached to everything? RE VE NUE.
Rob September 16, 2011 at 04:17 pm
Walker how do you know when you've won the argument?
The loser resorts to insults and avoids the argued facts.
Rob September 16, 2011 at 04:23 pm
Selma I say you need to go live in Cuba, or Korea where the dictators of the world have already proven that the government can't be everything for everyone. Or I suggest that you simply learn to take care of yourself and stop trying to trap me into your imaginary utopia that will never exists in reality.
Selma Kahl September 16, 2011 at 04:25 pm
thank you Juliet for your post. I think some folks really need it but I doubt from the remarks that they will heed it.
A percentage of safety is better then zero percent. Thank you for your input and thank you for the cameras , at least I spelled it correct this time.
Selma Kahl September 16, 2011 at 04:48 pm
How fun, we all can follow that idea and the one about a spray on the plates.
That is great information. Get the whole gang out and give this idea a try. Then when it works, look at all the money you will save by not having to pay a ticket for breaking the law. The money you save could take you to a race tract where you can rent a race car and enjoy the speed. But why put innocent people in danger to fulfil your thrills.
Selma Kahl September 16, 2011 at 04:57 pm
These folks complaining about money confuse me. It never worried me. I try not to speed. If I did and got caught by a darn old camera I would figure I helped pay for the camera this time. Too many people feel it is their right to break the law as long as they are not caught. And when a way to catch them is found they say violation of civil rights etc. They sure do show themselves for what they are.
Selma Kahl September 16, 2011 at 05:02 pm
Rob you say that the mother had a reposibility to protect the child. If a mother were at the scene, she could have been killed also. She may have been able to throw the child out of harms way or maybe not. A mother or parent is no match for a speeding car.
ddbs00 September 16, 2011 at 05:03 pm
Selma, someone else down the line in the comments argued it better than I can, but if it was only about safety the county would be adding cameras and not moving them. If you can give me a reason why a speed camera should be moved from one place to another for a reason other than its current location not generating enough revenue I'd be glad to hear it.
Selma Kahl September 16, 2011 at 05:12 pm
ddbs00
That is easy, economics. not enough money to put one on every corner. So if you have the attention of some of the law abiding citizen in one area, you have given them the opportunity to learn and understand the speed limits. Then why not move them and give another area a chance to learn the same lesson. Some folks will never heed the warning and some are out only to beat the system. You can not do anything with those types of folks. When the camera is missing the folks will resume the old habits. BUT NOT everyone. Some sensible ones will retain the lesson learned. We do not have a percentage on those folks in which camp they reside. My guess is more good guys out there then fools.
Selma Kahl September 16, 2011 at 05:21 pm
ddbs00
I once received a warning in a speed trap. I was in an area that was 30 mph and that was easy because of the trafic. Then I entered a wide open bridge across 695. My speed picked up because the traffic was so light and no cross traffic. I got caught and left with a warning. I never cross that bridge without thinking of my warning and the proper speed limit. Most drivers behind me think I have decided to stop. But I am still going 30 across that bridge. It is a brain thing. If I were out to beat the system, I would never cross that bridge doing only 30.
Selma Kahl September 16, 2011 at 05:32 pm
rob going to a house with a loaded gun in the home, can be avoided. Going to school where the county says you must go and you must walk can not be avoided.
Parents can teach children and must teach them but a speeding car is no match for anyone , not even another car, bus or van , much less for a student and her protective parent walking beside her.
walker September 16, 2011 at 05:37 pm
rob. you have no idea what you are talking about. county officers do not have ticket quotas anymore.
Selma Kahl September 16, 2011 at 05:49 pm
Now Rob wants me to leave the country, so I do not argue with him any longer.
Now that is funny. I am not arguing with him, I am just having my say. He should not take it so seriously. I could not possible have any effect on a person like Rob. I know that. He is unchangeable.
Rob September 17, 2011 at 08:34 pm
Selma you are the one trying to make America like Cuba where the government does everything for everyone. I know this is going to be a shock to a lot of you but it's not the job of the government to do everything for you. You need to take accountability for yourself and stop letting these politicians hack away at our freedoms in the name of safety. I don't care if you put a camera on every corner of every street in the world someone will get hit by a car in a school zone sooner or later, people will speed and even those that don't speed will be doing something that is distracting them from driving. It's impossible to prevent, prolong or divert accidents, that's why they're called accidents. No one gets in their car and says I'm gonna go speed through a school zone and kill someone. Its moronic to think that by putting up a freakin camera that your preventing a accident. I'm not arguing in the sense of yelling, I'm pointing out that your way of thinking isn't mine, I don't need the government to make sure my kids are safe because they can't just ask the mother of the 24 year old that was shot and killed in Berkshire on Friday, where were your stupid camera's for that? For gosh sakes people when will you wake up and realize that all your doing is giving up your freedoms for what amounts to a fuzzy little warm feeling that makes you feel good about yourself and nothing else?
Rob September 17, 2011 at 08:35 pm
I'll bet none of you that are for these camera's has a clue as to how many people were killed in a school zone in the last year, the last three years, the last five years etc. Let alone how many where killed in one of the actual school zones they're in. All you know is that it makes you feel good to think you're for something that you think is going to make a difference. I'll go even farther and bet that not one of you knows if these camera's are preventing an accident. You can't possibly know the answer to the last part because like lightning no one knows when or where it's going to hit.
I can't wait to get out of this state.
Rob September 17, 2011 at 08:39 pm
Walker what difference does it make? If it was about safety there would be a cop there to stop the car. The last time I checked all these camera's do is take a picture of the speeding car. Unless that camera jumps off the pole and throws the kid out of the way he or she will end up dead by the speeding car that doesn't know that it was just photographed.
Rob September 17, 2011 at 08:46 pm
Selma again the camera does not prevent the accident. Stop letting Obama and all the other libs tell you that they care and they can do something about it because they can't and they don't. The road to hell is paved with liberals good intentions.
Selma Kahl September 17, 2011 at 10:47 pm
Rob, you will never change my mind and I certainly do not expect to change yours.
You do understand this is only an opinion post and our post will have no effect on what really happens. The government has always had it on way. And that is certainly not because I post an opinion. Gosh according to you, I have so much power. But that not true so don;t let me get under your skin and make you angry .
Tim September 17, 2011 at 11:42 pm
wow, this thing is still going on. It's pretty simple.
Speed cameras force people to, at least temporarily, follow the LAW. People piss and moan because they don't like them. Oh dear goodness, how dare they enforce the laws! I do understand the perspective of not liking to have to "pay" the state to enforce the laws, but guess what? That's long been a valid responsibility of government. Dating back to the 1770s. If you don't break the law, it won't adversely affect you - and you know what? I'm also betting if enough people start following the rule of law one of these days, the state will remove them as they won't be "profiting" off of rule breakers. They will stay in place while they still fiscally make sense. You can be sure of that. It's crystal clear the people against speed cameras are in the minority, which is fine. They are here to stay, until maryland drivers stop sucking at driving. I won't be holding my breath on that one.
walker September 18, 2011 at 12:17 am
Rob
4:35pm on Saturday, September 17, 2011 I can't wait to get out of this state.
walker September 18, 2011 at 12:18 am
rob. bye dont let omalley kick you in the rear on the way out.
walker September 18, 2011 at 12:21 am
well put. stop your crying and obey the law. if you dont you pay a fine. dont hate the camera hate the speeders.
Selma Kahl September 18, 2011 at 01:02 am
or just simply avoid that street. then you won't have to wash your plates. Or risk having an officer give you a ticket for unreadable plates. JD when you discovered this you by any chance were you not breaking the law? For this trick to work you have to be aware that the camera is there and properly judge how far back to start flooring it. What happens if your Mother or sister were to step into the street? Do you slam on the breaks or just pay for the funerals. .
Rob September 19, 2011 at 02:36 am
Hmmm, I thought it was about safety not a profit?
Bill Howard September 22, 2011 at 01:42 am
So Tim, If you are NOT breaking the law, you would be OK with wearing an RFID chip to prove to the government you are not trespassing? If you are not breaking the law, you are OK with getting stripped and felt at the airport? If you are not breaking the law you are OK with the government having transcipts of your doctor visits for both physical and mental health? How about a speed camera on your dashboard (maybe with a microphone - ie OnStar system) if you are not breaking the law? Did you know once the government has the ability it can make those laws even stricter and where will you be then? The IRS can get a print out of what publications you get are you OK with that? As always, Fascism always has its useful fans who trade short term security for long term bondage.
Tim September 22, 2011 at 02:04 am
(part 2, to Bill)
Yes, I know what the government can do. Yes, I'm OK with the IRS having the ability to print out what publications I get. Guess what?if the federal government wants your information, they are getting it whether you like it or not. It's already catalogged. Most idiots broadcast it all on "social media" as it is. Makes the government's job easy. For entertainment's sake, I'll throw another option for you I'd love to see: - people ticketed and/or fined for cell phone use (unless hands free) as a primary offense. Talk about a safety issue! I'd gladly vote to take down every speed camera in the state if it meant getting this law passed. I am well aware of the various programs going on with the government and monitoring. However, unlike most people, my sliding scale of common sense use doesn't stick to one extreme or the other. The concept of being a moderate is generally lost in this nation - and it sure as hell is in Washington. Today, Tea Party morons voted to stop funding the government - and FEMA support - because the corresponding cuts weren't enough to their liking. So once again we're looking at a potential government shutdown in 9 days. Here's something else for you to chew on. Speaking of On-Star: http://www.autoblog.com/2011/09/21/gms-onstar-now-spying-on-your-car-for-profit-even-after-you-uns/
Tim September 22, 2011 at 02:08 am
Bill: Apples and Oranges for your first example. I'll give you two reasons why:
1) You're talking about personal privacy versus a moving violation/operating a motor vehicle. 2) You're also talking a non-safety issue (trespass) versus a safety issue (speeding). Now onto your others: - Airport, again, it's personal privacy issue - this is different from following a traffic law and endangering others. Actually, I am so against the TSA garbage I refuse to fly. Beyond the personal liberty angle, the TSA simply doesn't work to begin with. These people would be mall cops somewhere if not for this crap. There are plenty of holes in the entire system that if someone REALLY wanted to smuggle a boxcutter onto an aircraft - I'm sure they could. Air travel was the safest form of transportation before 9/11/01, and I don't believe that changes with or without these rent-a-cops today. Of course, it wouldn't hurt to get out of most of the Middle East's business. That's another topic. - The whole speed camera/onstar surveillance in the vehicle is my threshold. Again, we're talking purely a personal privacy issue. Especially if you're including a microphone issue. I wouldn't be entirely against a speed monitor (alone) on vehicles - it would depend on the specifics of the implementation. let me continue this in a seperate post.
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Gregg Roberts April 25, 2013 at 06:55 am
My sister-in-law actually played with my nephew too Tim. Unlike EVERY OTHER single parent that wasRead More there. However, you can't tie your child to you. They came there to play. Bullies move very quick. When my nephew fell and was visibily scared, not a single parent except for one even noticed. Nobody from the library was in site. You are right that if parents were required to pay attention to their children then there would not be an opportunities for bullies because the parents of those bullies would be watching them also. When the group came from a religious school in Pikesville this is exactly what happened. All the parents stayed with their kids. All other parents, with little exception stayed in a waiting room talking amongst themselves paying little attention to their children. My nephew has been to all kinds of playgrounds and never been attacked by older kids before. Next time, if my nephew is attacked by an older child I will urge my brother to call the police and press charges against the parent. However, irreponsible Storyville need not worry -- won't be back there. Just wish our tax dollars weren't supporting this.
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