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UPDATE: Housing Developer Closing Cross Road 3 Weeks

The Perry Hall road will close Jan. 23 to Feb. 15 for utility construction on the Reserve at Camp Chapel housing development.

Cross Road, between Honeygo Boulevard and Chapel Road, will close Jan. 23 to Feb. 15 for utility construction on the Reserve at Camp Chapel housing development, County Councilman David Marks announced. 

Local traffic will be allowed. Baltimore County Public Schools have also been notified and will alert parents to any bus changes, Marks stated in an email. 

The developer will also complete some improvements to Cross Road, including widening and repaving, during this time, Marks added. 

While the Reserve at Camp Chapel housing development gained approval about four years ago, construction was held until this winter due to the struggling economy, Patch reported. 

A representative of developer D.R. Horton said construction of homes will likely begin in January, and that the development should be completed by the spring. 

The planned neighborhood is named after a former horse farm and the historic Camp Chapel United Methodist Church nearby.

Projected new residents will add approximately nine students to Gunpowder Elementary School, six students to Perry Hall Middle School and seven students to Perry Hall High School, according to a Baltimore County school impact analysis document dated July 19, 2006, provided by the Baltimore County Department of Planning.

See the gallery for development documents. 

Dave January 15, 2013 at 04:50 PM
David Marks keep up the the fight your doing a great job in my book between the Open Space that we gained in Perry Hall to brand new lighting on Ebenezer Rd by the High School, to attracting more businesses to the Old Perry Hall Square Shopping Ctr and even the Towson Area with the Fire House Issue and making Towson Safer at night due to the recent bar fights. Sounds like Greg just discovered the internet at the public library and wants Perry Hall to return like it was 35 years ago, Its to late for that old timer. Protect what we have now could be worst it could be Owings Mills.
Seriously? January 15, 2013 at 05:22 PM
I had the choice to move to Perry Hall or Timonium 8 years ago when we decided to finally give up on city living. I chose Perry Hall because it felt like I was in a different place, far removed from all the traffic and violence of the city. Now 8 years later, with all the development and burglaries, I feel I made the wrong choice. I am glad my children are older, I do not think I'd want to raise a family where I am now. It is sad, in only 8 years I feel it went from ultimate suburbia to urban north. can you possible get any more houses onto Forge rd?
Paul Amirault January 15, 2013 at 05:39 PM
Consumers and residents really need to make use of the many planning documents that exist in Baltimore County. The Honeygo Master Plan (1994) showed what was going to occur in the way of development in Perry Hall. The internet makes it much more accessible today. http://resources.baltimorecountymd.gov/Documents/Planning/honeygocommunityplan.pdf
Seriously? January 15, 2013 at 06:45 PM
You are right Paul, I should have done my homework. I assumed since I purchased a house on a dead end street my immediate part of the community would not be affected, which it hasn't been so far. But even so, they didn't have a crime planner back then. I should have known with more people comes more crime.
Honeygo Hal January 15, 2013 at 07:41 PM
As Paul notes below, the Honeygo Plan was established in 1994, and it was publicized in the Sunpaper and the local news. I lived in Overlea at the time, but I noted that Honeygo was planned to a greater degree than most urban sprawl. Planned growth for Owings Mills was announced around the same time (I don't think that worked out quite as well.) Philadelphia to Richmond is the most densely-populated corridor in the country. It is inevitable that areas around these cities would become crowded. The only way to stem the density is to zone for larger lots, which raises the price of admission. Too late for that, and the Baltimore market couldn't support it anyway. Before we built in Honeygo my wife spent time at the County planning offices to find out where good areas were, and to find out what was planned near the areas we were considering. It's amazing how much help they were when they knew that someone was interested in their work. A box of doughnuts had them all gathered around and enthusiastic. We found out about sewer routings that would be less than desirable, and future development plans that might affect our choice. We saw all of the new developments along Forge Rd. before they were even dug. Most of the Perry Hall area is either built or under construction now so it might not do any good to check it out now, but it might help in your next search.
Tim January 15, 2013 at 08:09 PM
Just confirms for us that you'd be rather foolish to invest in this development as a potential home buyer :)
Tim January 15, 2013 at 08:22 PM
I dunno. I'm raising my family here. NO regrets. I feel plenty safe. I'd like to post out some Baltimore County crime statistics: Homicides - 2003: 31 ---> 2011: 30 Rape - 2003: 211 ---> 2011: 142 Robbery - 2002: 1609 ---> 2011: 1451 Burglary - 2003: 5372 ---> 2011: 4477 Theft - 2003: 18986 ---> 2011: 17840 I could go on, but the links to the rest are below. Cold, hard facts. So Seriously? Here's your clue. Put it to good use, stop giving in to fear. http://resources.baltimorecountymd.gov/Documents/Police/2005_pdfs/pd_IndexCrimes2004.pdf http://resources.baltimorecountymd.gov/Documents/Police/2012pdfs/indexcrimes120621.pdf Perry Hall has its problems, but it's still quite awesome. Having an excellent representative in David Marks has helped a great deal.
Tim January 15, 2013 at 08:23 PM
Not per capita, necessarily.
Jeffrey Smith January 15, 2013 at 09:27 PM
There are several important factors to note about the process whereby the Perry Hall Library was replaced with a new facility: 1. The old library was a leased facility, on privately-owned land. Thus, the County did not have the ability to unilaterally do whatever it wanted at the site. It required agreement from the owner of the building/land, which proved not to be possible. 2. Thus, the best use of government funds was to acquire a new site (owned by the County) and build the best new library on the land that was possible. I consider this process to be a great success. Our library, once one one of the least utilized branches, since replacement is now consistently one of the five busiest locations. The branch has great materials and great staff. Given the useage levels, it seems that the public at-large agree. The hard of work of my friend David Marks was, and continues to be, a great part of the success of our public library system.
NottinghamFamily January 15, 2013 at 09:28 PM
Tim, I see the stats you've put up and I'm glad there aren't any huge increases in crime numbers, however, regardless of the numbers, I believe that the areas in Baltimore County are seeing a shift in the places that crimes occur. When was the last time you read about attempted carjackings in the shopping center where Lowes is? Gun involved crime at the mall? The neighborhoods with break-ins seems to be increasing in this area. When my family first moved here three decades ago, it was busy here, not rural at all and there were no glass doors being smashed or drug deals with stabbings, carjackings etc. I can look at numbers all day but Baltimore County is a really big place and I think that crime is spreading into new areas, regardless of what a chart says.
David Marks January 15, 2013 at 11:15 PM
Thank you fot all of your comments. Mr. Roberts - thank you for your interest in our community, and do not hesitate to contact me privately if you want to. I personally answer any emails I receive.
Gregg Roberts January 15, 2013 at 11:35 PM
According to MapQuest.com entering the address for each library: The distance is 3 mins / 1.35 miles !!! I would wager that Joppa View is about the same distance from White Marsh as to Perry Hall or just about. Perry Hall Elementary was closer to the old library location. Gunpowder not too far from the new library but old one was closer. Seven Courts..old location was certainly closer. As per posts below as well.. yes, the new Perry Hall Library is very nice. Not disputing that. What is at question is the nature of both the ''main street'' or community feel that is jokingly being promoted in Perry Hall and other things that sound nice like open spaces that seem to hurt local residents and don't help the Gunpowder. Tell me how to get from the old Perry Hall Library to the new one with sidewalk. (Perhaps it is possible now -- it certainly wasn't last time when I tried this and surely for well over a year after library was built)
Gregg Roberts January 15, 2013 at 11:43 PM
http://www.publiclibrariesnews.com/ ""Bilbary founder Tim Coates on what libraries need - Argues libraries should be within walking distance. (for their survival.."" Humor me, I know almost no one walks anymore but for the point of our conversation about the location of the library -- it used to be walkable (relatively easily) from Seven Courts Road to Pinedale Drive from Klausmeier Road and all the roads in between. Honeygo has sports fields, library, etc. etc. and all of this older area has diddly squat. What little it did have was taken away. I'd like to hear about plans to revitalize these areas and create community and not for areas with new developments and shopping centers. Plenty of that already.
FIFA January 15, 2013 at 11:49 PM
Mr. Roberts, I used Google maps which put it at 4.7 miles. It clearly is not 1.35. You are entitled to your opinions but not your own facts. Perhaps you should drive it and let us know what your odometer says. I'm not sure if you even live in the neighborhood because anyone that does live here knows you walk northeast on Belair Road to Honeygo Blvd, then make a right and walk to the library. There are sidewalks the entire way. Be careful around the Royal Farms as there is road construction there, I assume you know about if you live here.
FIFA January 15, 2013 at 11:52 PM
Have a nice day Mr. Roberts, your comments speak for you. Welcome to Perry Hall, get to know us, most of us like living here.
FIFA January 16, 2013 at 12:29 AM
The discrepancies are intriguing Evets between the map programs. For Google or your map program to have a difference of nearly a mile is puzzling. I presumed Mr. Roberts wanted sidewalks the entire way and I thought a piece of Forge Road near the funeral home did not have them as the road was blocked once Honeygo opened. It is shorter that way. I hope Mr. Roberts is quick crossing Honeygo at Forge. Might be safer Honeygo at Belair where there are crosswalk signals. :)
Bmore Bob Rob January 16, 2013 at 01:28 AM
I moved to PH about 5 years into a new development. I am so sick of all the new homes being built around me. When is this going to stop? I want the old PH back.
FIFA January 16, 2013 at 01:54 AM
I presume you are being sarcastic. You moved here 5 years ago and now are complaining about those following you? Har dee har har!
Tim January 16, 2013 at 05:56 AM
NottinghamFamily: The only crimes that have gone up in this particular area are drug related. I posted different stats last week specifically for this region off the BC site. It showed that Break-ins, Violent crimes, etc all equal or down compared to three years ago. Everything but drug busts/crimes. I was doing different Patch 'research' at the time. Respectfully, It's 95% perception versus reality. Think of how radically different the new media is now, compared to just five years ago. This perception feeds into a false, exaggerated reality that 98% of people won't actually fact check. Another example of perception over reality: The BC police chopper. Every time you guys see it, instead of feeling safer, you collectively feel freaked out. All this stuff was going on back then, it just was never reported like this.
Gregg Roberts January 16, 2013 at 12:45 PM
There is no mystery here. Go to Mapquest.com and put in the address for Perry Hall Library and White Marsh Library, both found on the internet. Mapquest shows the exact route and is accurate. Can't speak to the other sites. Regarding ''liking living in Perry Hall'' Well - I do but liking somewhere doesn't mean being content with it in all regards. I like myself. That doesn't mean that I might not to go on a diet or take a class in something. I find faults with myself exactly because I do like me..the same goes with Perry Hall. If I didn't like PH and found it a lost cause, there would be no reason to point out faults. Should I like that our drivers almost never stop as required by law at crosswalks and the police do nothing? Should I like that in the 21st century some of our schools don't have air conditioning and unfortunately metal detectors? No parks, no library no nothing in Seven Courts to Pinedale to Klausmeier area. On the positive -- great Christmas spirit (decorations) , relatively clean and well landscaped. Perry Hall Christmas Tree lighting -- pathetic. Thanks for clarification regarding roads -- Yes, I use to try walking via Forge Road, no sidewalk there and from that point the road was closed in one direction so you had to walk through a development. It was walkable but not too pleasant wet shoes etc. because of long grassy areas. Never tried Honeygo. When walking over a mile that is already making the walk a lot longer.
FIFA January 16, 2013 at 12:59 PM
Mr. Roberts, this will be my last comment to you as it is appears to me that you know very little of Perry Hall and very little of MapQuest. I just used MapQuest to see what could possibly be wrong with their program. As it turns out, nothing is wrong with their program, something is wrong the way you input the directions. MapQuest comes up with 3.85 miles like Evets said with MapMyRide. Regarding parks on the west side of Belair Road, the open space and fields at Gunpowder Elementary and Seven Oaks Elementary lead to nice walking. But perhaps you could take some classes at the Seven Oaks Senior Center on Seven Courts? I understand they have all sorts of activities for seniors. Have a good day sir, be careful walking, Seven Courts is difficult to cross.
Honeygo Hal January 16, 2013 at 01:04 PM
Chances are good that all of those new homes were staked out (virtually) when you moved. Now your choices are: live with it; buy up some of those lots and make them your own "green space"; move to another area. If you choose the last, do your homework first so you won't be disappointed again.
Seriously? January 16, 2013 at 01:18 PM
Tim, I could care less about your statistics, the only one I know is that one of my neighbors had his house broken into and another had an attempted break in and I have seen too many police helicopters flying around with search lights on, one as recently as Sunday. My next move will be out of this blue state and into a red state.
M. Sullivan January 16, 2013 at 04:22 PM
@Seriously, you wouldn't have done any better if you chose Timonium. This area has really been going downhill over the past 10 years. The imposition of the Crime Train (Light Rail) has helped accelerate the decline.
Tim January 16, 2013 at 04:24 PM
If you don't care about statistics, then I don't know what else to tell you. There's no helping those who refuse to be helped. You are a prime example of what I just mentioned. You are, of course, entitled to your opinion - but it's factually false.
John Doe January 16, 2013 at 04:34 PM
...and the 'New York' Giants and Jets play in New Jersey...
Dave January 16, 2013 at 09:36 PM
FIFA, Also there is a Park off Seven Courts Drive in Oakhurst at the end of Sylvan Oak Way, I believe it is called Oakhurst Park. It is maintained by Baltimore County Rec. and Parks and falls under Perry Hall Rec Council. Small Trail Path and Playground with benches.
Tracey January 17, 2013 at 01:54 AM
what? we're not allowed to be called a resident of Perry Hall unless we have a 21128 zip code? Most of it is still Perry Hall. Just because the tiny post office at 21128 couldn't handle the volume; it isn't as if the boundaries moved.
Tracey January 17, 2013 at 02:07 AM
We are glad that we chose the older established neighborhood of Seven Courts when we came here 12 years ago. Pretty much guarantees no further development in the immediate area.
Andrew March 22, 2013 at 05:30 PM
i cant wait to sell my 2 acres in Perry Hall to a developer in 30 years and retire some place cheaper.

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