Perry Paw Dog Park--Action needed

We could really use a few minutes of your time to help make Perry Paw Dog Park a reality. Please read


    As many of you know, we have been working toward building the Perry Paw Dog Park to be located at Honeygo Regional Park. The Perry Paw Dog Park committee has been approved as a self-operating entity within the Perry Hall Recreation Council.

    We began this mission with the understanding that Baltimore County had no funding available for a dog park. To date, Baltimore County has fully funded two dog parks – (Paw Point Dog Park and Hannah More Dog Park). Perry Paw Dog Park was the third proposed dog park in the County and first to be accountable for its own funding. While this was not exactly how we had hoped to move forward, we understood that current economic conditions affect this type of financial support and we accepted the challenge. The Department of Parks and Recreation granted use of a designated location at Honeygo Regional Park, but funding all additional costs involved is currently left to the citizens and businesses willing to support its construction. Over the past year, we have raised approximately $20,000. For that, we are truly grateful.

    Much more money is needed in order to make Perry Paw Dog Park a reality. We were told that the fourth proposed dog park will be in Dundalk and it will receive County funding. There will now be a total of four dog parks in Baltimore County with only one having to pay its own way. We are without a clear explanation as to why. Why should the Perry Hall residents be the only County citizens to have to pay for their dog park?

    Our County Councilman, David Marks, has been a strong advocate for our dog park and helped secure the location and obtain funding. Other elected officials, such as Senator Kathy Klausmeier and Delegate Eric Bromwell have also helped. Not only will we continue to ask for donations, but we are asking you to contact our County Executive, Kevin Kamenetz to ask for his support by providing funding for Perry Paw Dog Park. Kevin Kamenetz is currently developing the County’s budget to present to the County Council.

    Now is the time to let him know we want funding for the Perry Paw Dog Park. We need everyone’s help. We’ve heard from you. We know that you want this park. Now, we need Mr. Kamenetz to hear you, too. Please contact our County Executive, Kevin Kamenetz to ask for his support by providing funding for Perry Paw Dog Park.

    Here’s his contact info
    County Executive Kevin Kamenetz
    400 Washington Avenue, Mailstop 2M01A
    Old Courthouse Mezzanine
    Towson, Maryland 21204

    Phone: 410-887-2450
    Fax: 410-887-4049

Please be firm but polite and ask for his help.

Please visit our website and Facebook page for info as it becomes available.


The Perry Paw Dog Park Committee

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Paul Amirault February 10, 2013 at 03:23 PM
The area to be fenced (six feet high with five gates) is about 1.5 acres and over 1,000 feet of fence. In addition, water and electric are needed for a dog water station and electronic key card access. A waste station for disposal of fecal matter is needed also. Add to that engineering and design that is required for the appropriate permits.
Paul Amirault February 10, 2013 at 03:34 PM
As a matter of County law, organizations that are a part of the Recreation Councils are covered by County liability insurance with certain exceptions for idiocy (gross negligence).
Paul Amirault February 10, 2013 at 03:40 PM
Annual fees will be charged the "members" of the Dog Park for ongoing improvements and maintenance of items like the key card access, signage, etc.
patricia smith February 10, 2013 at 04:17 PM
i'm a dog lover, but having taken a late beloved pet to an established dog park was pretty disgusting with piles of feces, dogs running loose & obviously not neutered/spayed, potty smells, slippery muddy messes mixed with poop.....yuck!
Paul Amirault February 10, 2013 at 05:59 PM
:-) $5,000 was donated by a developer.
Paul Amirault February 10, 2013 at 06:39 PM
Not me on this one, I build bike trails.
Paul Amirault February 10, 2013 at 09:59 PM
The County has lots of difficulty with "in-kind" contributions. They prefer cash donations and then want to handle the work themselves. This leads to discouraging people from doing projects themselves. It also has the County then pay more for the work than necessary as the volunteer labor is rejected and projects put out to bid. The County will use volunteers to run Recreation Programs but generally only paid help to do construction projects. I can build a subdivision and the homes thereon, but I can't get a small building built on County property. If the County instituted a "qualified volunteer" program it could save a lot of money. Many of the volunteers are qualified and licensed electricians, plumbers and other contractors.
Terry Nolan February 11, 2013 at 02:36 AM
Opinion of Terry Nolan The people organizing the Perry Hall dog park have had an amazing effort raising the money for the dog park and hopefully they will get to their goal. I don't agree the County should fund the Perry Hall dog park or a dog park in Dundalk. The County funds are so limited that the maintenance on many of the existing Parks and Recreation facilities and fields, used by thousands of adults and children, is at a minimum and can't keep up with the use the community requires. The comment from Ms Smith points to the same maintenance issue with an established dog park. The County can't fund everything, we need funding and services from private and volunteer sources. Although this would require a certain amount of control, for these groups, on how the funds and services are used.
Amy Krebs February 11, 2013 at 05:43 AM
A question I have--why is Baltimore County funding the othr dog parks, but not Pery Hall's?
Bob Kraft February 11, 2013 at 02:47 PM
I have been following this effort since the start and it has been plaqued by question and contradictions. Please correct me if I'm wrong on any of my statements : It was 1st estimated by this group that the cost would be around $50,000, my understanding that was based on an estimate given by a local contractor. The parks and recs then said the group would need to raise $150,000 . There was never a clear explanation on why ? just because we said so by the parks and rec. Mr Marks has been an supporter of this effort, but when pushed on why the county could not fund this effort. I was told that I don't understand the way it works and it's not as easy as just entering a bill in county council for funding, now it turns out it's easier that introducing a bill, just get the money in the budget by the chairman. Those that were asked to donate were never given a resonable explanation on what happens to these funds collected if the park is never built ? Which now seems like a very real possiablity. Don't get me wrong I want I dog park in Perry Hall as much as anybody. But we are talking about a fence and some gates, people will bring their own water for the dogs, park is open to everyone so no need for card reader, just like the Ma and Pa park and the Rebels Dog park. This has been overblown and just needs to be done. Stop all the mannuvers and meetings, just take the $20,000 and ask local contractors to bid and we all can be enjoying this by the summer.
DGAF February 11, 2013 at 03:14 PM
I love the comments of people who dont go to the Perry Hall park commenting on the fecal matter of the dog park.
Valerie February 11, 2013 at 04:35 PM
The nurses at my hospital sponsor an elementary school in need annually. The nurses purchase all the school supplies and the hospital purchases back packs for each child. This is where money needs to be spent and not on a dog park. Give me a break!
LM February 11, 2013 at 05:03 PM
Dogs are family members also in addition they are teachers,best friends and healers. People and children can learn alot from dogs. I know I am at the Park almost everyday and the dog owners that take their dogs to the grassy field pick up after their dogs and others.If every other county and Balto City can fund dog parks why not have one in Perry Hall. There is a field that cost over a million and it sits idle all winter.
Tim February 11, 2013 at 05:42 PM
Completely agree. Moreover, I don't expect a Dog Park will do anything to mitigate the terrible behavior of a good chunk of these morally bankrupt, irresponsible dog owners in the future with a dog park. Does anyone think these same slackers taking up our oxygen would actually drive their dog to a dog park? Lazy is lazy, to a fault. These same people seem to think keeping your trash in a trash container (you know, the county law) is too much work. Disgusting. and here I think I'm lazy.
DGAF February 11, 2013 at 06:10 PM
Evets- I am at the Honeygo regional park every day , there is not as much fecal matter as you are describing. I cannot confirm about across the bridge , but on the paths where walkers/riders should be there is not. Also, I know that there are dog owners that are bad with their picking up of waste , but those are not the ones that are at the park on a regular basis.
Tim February 11, 2013 at 06:47 PM
DGAF: To me, this makes sense. If you're motivated enough as a dog owner to take your dog somewhere like Honeygo Park to walk, odds are good you're also responsible enough to pick up your own dogs poop. There are exceptions to every generalization, I'm sure.
Tim February 11, 2013 at 06:49 PM
although I certainly can't argue against your insight either Evets. I'm not running up there at all. Why can't people just act responsibly by default? Is it THAT difficult?
Kenneth W. Halfen February 12, 2013 at 01:09 AM
Tim, Do you mean like the people who "stormed" the stadium last Tuesday. Isn't it obvious that most people don't have any respect for others anymore?
Tim February 12, 2013 at 04:49 AM
Indeed Kenneth. It's really made me a jaded individual toward society in general. I'm not even 40 yet. Can't imagine how cantankerous I'm going to be at 60.
LM February 12, 2013 at 02:43 PM
It's obivious your not an animal lover or you would realize that they need to run also. Maybe their owners are older and can't run. For some older people that's all they have is their animals. It's okay to spend more then a million on a field, my kids grew up playing sports but not on a field that cost more then a million to build. So, why not spend some on our other family members.
Jeanne February 12, 2013 at 02:59 PM
If the county funds other dog parks they should fund all of them. With the economics the way they are I can see the county saying to all dog parks we need to split the cost between the county and donations. I clen up after my dog and so do the people I know that have dogs. Please don't blame all dog owners for what the lazy ones don't bother to do. When I am walking my dog I have extra bags with me and when I have seen someone not cleaning up after their dog I gave them a bag, only once did the person get nasty with me and refuse the bag. I also leave bags in the back of my mailbox so if anyone is caught without a bag and need one they are available, granted this only helps my family and the people that know me. I have had to remove dog feces frommy shoes after walking through a park so I understand your frustration Evets. I hope all dog owners will clean up after their dogs so you and your children never have to do that again. .
Jeanne February 12, 2013 at 03:09 PM
Great idea Bob! I'm glad I am not the only one who would prefer to bring my own water for my dog. When we used to take him to parks I would empty out the bowels, rinse them out, then put fresh water in them so the dogs weren't drinking water that could have been sitting there outside for hours. I also don't understand the need for keycards. When you enter a dog park you go in one set of fences, lock that fence then go in the play area. Were do you need the keycard?
Jeanne February 12, 2013 at 03:21 PM
Hi Other Tim, there is a fine to not picking up after your dog but the county doesn't care. I have called the animal society in Baltimore County and stopped by the local police precient with a person's information that doesn't pick up after their dog and they don't care and won't tell me who to contact with the information so they will be fined. This person does this near my house so it was very easy to find out were they lived after it happen a couple of times. Why should other dog owners be blamed for what a couple of people fail to do when they walk their dogs. By law dogs aren't allowed to be off the leash, a lot of dog owners ignore that. Running in a confined area lets the dog use more energy and they have a lot of fun. You can bring toys to play with your dog, just make sure you and your dog are willing to share if another dog wants to join in. Playing in a dog park is very differnt then taking a dog for a walk.
Gomer Pyle February 12, 2013 at 04:52 PM
LM, its obvious you can't seperate HUMANS from ANIMALS. You are hung up on spending money on a field for people as opposed to one for pets. The field that cost a "million dollars" gets a lot of use especially in the warmer months. It's a low-maintenance field (no mowing, watering, grass planting, etc.) and also has lighting to allow for longer periods of use, which add to the "million dollar" cost. Some of the maintence costs are offset by money generated from fees for signing up for sports or tournament fees. So YES it is okay to spend this money for HUMAN use. If you want to build something for your "other family members" how about paying fees like the rest of us do. Is this dog park going to generate money to sustain itself?
Paul Amirault February 12, 2013 at 05:03 PM
Mr. Pyle, the fees charged by the Recreation Councils are not given to Baltimore County for maintenance. Those fees are retained by the Recreation Councils for the costs of the programs such as uniforms, officials, etc. You might be surprised that the maintenance cost for the artificial turf field is not inexpensive, it does require regular cleaning due to the human products left behind by the participants. The plan is for the Dog Park to charge annual membership fees to users of the facility to pay for additions to the Park as well as maintenance (other than grass cutting the County has to do anyway) of the facility. This process helps ensure that all dogs are properly licensed and vaccinated. In addition the organizers will have a registration list of all users as well. PS - congratulations are in order for you I understand. LOL.
LM February 12, 2013 at 11:39 PM
Thanks Paul for letting Gomer know that the dog park is not free and we have to pay a membership.
Jeanne February 13, 2013 at 02:53 PM
We have gone to a couple of differnt dog parks in differnt counties and there was never a need for a keycard or a membership fee. One of the risk of a dog park is your dog could have all the needed shots but another dog coming in might not. When you go to the parks you are aware of this in advance. The only reason for a keycard is to keep track of all the dogs in the park having all their shots but it is not a guarentee since when you open the gate to leave someone else can walk in with their dog that doesn't have a keycard. If I have to pay to take my dog to play off the leash I will continue to take him to camp where the dogs have all gotten their shots, if you don't have proof your dog is sent away, and it is clean.
Paul Amirault February 13, 2013 at 05:55 PM
The other two operating Dog Parks in Baltimore County both charge membership fees which reduces the burden of maintenance/improvement costs for the County.
Acts Like Summer March 14, 2013 at 03:22 PM
I always assumed that as it stands now, the dog park area at honeygo park's maintenance is funded by parks and rec (please correct me if I am wrong). Why is there a need for separate funding? Water supply and key-card access are luxury items that do not need to be added right now. A fence would be the only reasonable addition. If enough money has been raised for proper fencing, just hire someone to build it (otherwise a grant just to cover that cost would be needed) and let parks and rec keep paying for it's maintenance. Additional funds could be secured by renting out the space (like you would the fields or pavilions) for private functions, by animal clubs, or for dog obedience courses. As it is now that area gets a nice amount of traffic by responsible owners who have control of their dogs. Whenever I go there, these responsible owners bring plenty of bags and water. I kind of like that there is no fence because I have control of my dog, and know that other dogs who go will also be well-behaved. It would be nice to have the addition of a fence but I don't see the need for anything else if the county is hesitant to provide more funds.
Becca Cutler March 16, 2013 at 07:02 PM
That's a very poorly run dog park then - I've visited many, and they were mostly very clean, grassy and delightful. I'm deeply disappointed that the Honeygo dog park has been stalled and would certainly expect and demand good management when it comes to fruit. The good ones require membership, which includes verification of up-to-date vaccinations and understanding and commitment to rules - which include using a pooper-scooper.


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